hawaiifiveoh

I am doing this for a friend of mine, so try to bare with me. First question...Is a "homemade" kit worth the trouble over buying a complete kit? Next, is there any information on using a T25 Turbo on a B16, along with a parts list, and some support along with it. I have a GSX myself, was looking through a couple DSM forums and found people saying that a T25 would be a cheap/efficient upgrade. After finding this out, I told my friend, and played around with the idea for a while. Now I'm trying to pretty much piecing everything together for him, because he is lazy, and I need a bit of competition all the way out here in the middle of nowhere. I looked at a few sites, but either didn't look hard enough or didn't do the right thing and couldn't find any exact information, so I figured it would be easier on my part to just ask the people who know best at a place that knows them best. Any suggestions are welcome, thanks.

93CX

Just dont do it.. T25 + B16 = ftl

AWDstylez

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hawaiifiveoh &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I have a GSX myself, was looking through a couple DSM forums</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is a big problem. Don't look around DSM forums and don't listen to DSM owners.

A T25 is waaaaay too small for a B16.

mrbsponge

Hell i would almost imagine a Modded 20G would be MAYBE an ok turbo for a stock B16 but i syill think the motor would rev to high and the turbo run out of goo/usable air

schwitzerT

Go T28 ot T3. NO BIGGER

hawaiifiveoh

Alright sweet, ditching the T25 idea...anyone feel like walking me through a cheap turbo setup that works pretty reliably. His car was dyno'd and put down an amazing 195 whp, which yea, I understand is pretty good for a non turbo and mildly upgraded Civic, but still. He would rather have a "cheaper", yet still reliable turbo setup. And thanks.

93CX

195whp on a stock B16 huh.. pretty impressive

If you want a nice reliable turbo setup, you gotta be ready to $pend. Cheap, Reliable, Fast, you can only have 2 of the 3. I recommend you check out http://www.spoolinperformance.com for all your fab needs

blinx9900

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195whp aint bad for an NA car man, give the guy some slack, but yeah the first reponse was pretty accurate:

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Schister66

Using DSM turbos on a B series is ok if you're just looking to do something cheap; however, it is NOT a good turbo to use on your B16. Since the turbo is very small it will boost quickly but once your engine reaches the higher RPM's and VTEC (aka efficiency and peak air demand) the little 14b will fall flat on its face. The compressor doesn't flow enough to keep up to the engine's demands and boost will drop. Also, depending on how hard you're running it, you may overload the turbine wheel and cause the turbo to choke/stall. Overspinning these turbos has been known to lead to bearing and shaft failures....

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I guess i dont understand this comment...

AWDstylez

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fixed

hawaiifiveoh

His motor isn't stock though, sorry I didn't mention that. I don't know the exact specs, but I konw that the person before him had put forged internals and had reinforced the motor, getting it ready for something bigger...like a turbo. I'll attempt to get the specs off of him, and then let you guys know.

93CX

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What I meant was 195whp is impossible on a stock B16.. (sarcasm)

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Oh, I see. Well, even if the motor is mildly built, the smallest turbo I would go with would be a T3/T04e 60 trim with a .63 exhaust side. This will net you around 475whp when maxxed out.

Rickdrizzle

wow. 195 on a b16!

hawaiifiveoh

Should I ask my friend for the dyno sheet, I haven't seen it myself, he just told me not too long ago though.

Rickdrizzle

it's do-able. but easier to achieve with a 1.8 liter.

but just to be clear, this was all motor right? I'm too lazy to scroll up and read again.

93CX

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but just to be clear, this was all motor right? I'm too lazy to scroll up and read again.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats lazier than lazy.. we call that lackadaisical 'round these parts.

Rickdrizzle

oh snaps.

hawaiifiveoh

Yes, all motor.

B16-CRX

i have 16g on mine and that works ok but dies in higher rpm's

HiProfile

I had a buddy that bought an EF Hatch with 1st gen JDM B16A & HMT kit. It used a random ebay fmic, ssauto mani (yes, it did crack and ruined the TiAl WG!), 38mm Tial, 2.5" dp ending at the shifter (no exhaust). The turbo was a 'wimpy' thunderbird 60trim .60a/r compressor w/.63a/r stg1 turbine.

It made 250whp at just 9psi...using Uberdata. Full boost around 3500 rpm, pulled hard to redline. IIRC the injectors were getting close to their max, they were DSM 450's. FYI those turbos make power up to 16-18psi.

Anything smaller would be for making it a peppy daily driver, not a speed demon.

StockDC2

I'm surprised that noone has said this yet but it's going to be VERY difficult to find a tuner that can tune your friend's motor. If what you are saying about your friend's B16 is true, which I highly doubt, he is running an aggressive all-motor cam and high compression pistons to the very least. I suggest that you search and figure out why these two aren't the best combination of internals to use in a boosted application.

AWDstylez

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HiProfile &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I had a buddy that bought an EF Hatch with 1st gen JDM B16A & HMT kit. It used a random ebay fmic, ssauto mani (yes, it did crack and ruined the TiAl WG!), 38mm Tial, 2.5" dp ending at the shifter (no exhaust). The turbo was a 'wimpy' thunderbird 60trim .60a/r compressor w/.63a/r stg1 turbine.</TD></TR></TABLE>

A 60 trim T04E is a far cry from a T25.