sleeve it or not?
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From: IM ALL DIRTY NJ, USA
Hey if you guys are getting that much power and running no sleeves. I have to say Great job!!! I have a stand alone with my built motor. but never thought you would be able to run stock everything and get mad power as well as driving it daily. That is my fault Didnt Research very well. Now i have to say like you all have Tunning is everything. (but i will continue to sleeve every honda block that i plan on building, only due to bad luck). Great Post Thanks as always
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Re: (BoneStckCivic)
to put it simply...
stock sleeves are holding up in these cars because they are being tuned with conservative timing which allows them to run much lower cylinder pressures while at the same time sacrificing little power....
its all in the tuning and understanding how a few more degrees of timing can dramatically raise cylinder pressures ...
stock sleeves are holding up in these cars because they are being tuned with conservative timing which allows them to run much lower cylinder pressures while at the same time sacrificing little power....
its all in the tuning and understanding how a few more degrees of timing can dramatically raise cylinder pressures ...
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Re: (BoneStckCivic)
my civic stock b20 pushes 14 stock from intake mani down to crank flywheel ... over 1 year now all in the tuning (tuned good it should last if you have the fuel and any clue about cylinder pressure) , its my fun car/race car if i want 24+ ill pull out my stock 90 dsm awd pushing 22-24 daily no problems 
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Re: (b20turboic)
just remember, all b series sleeves are not alike. the b18c1, b18c5, and b16 (newer blocks) are all stronger than the b18a, b18b, b20b, and b20z. forget about the zc's as well, IMO. overboring any of these blocks and keeping them with stock sleeves is also a big "no no".
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Re: (jinxproof99)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jinxproof99 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just remember, all b series sleeves are not alike. the b18c1, b18c5, and b16 (newer blocks) are all stronger than the b18a, b18b, b20b, and b20z. forget about the zc's as well, IMO. overboring any of these blocks and keeping them with stock sleeves is also a big "no no".
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yea sir and to what "dasher" said
My friend is running rich but he also has 880cc injectors to boot
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yea sir
and to what "dasher" said My friend is running rich but he also has 880cc injectors to boot
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From: Carson, CALI
Re: (4-banging)
What these guys are saying is true....Belive it or not....Making good power on a stock block is possible....You can get your block sleeved . But if it is not tuned or sleeved correctley you will not benifit from sleeving or building the block..... Sleeving is a precausion that is taken when running high amounts of boost. I would recomend it for the serious racers that want to make good power with out worrying about the sleeves cracking.
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Re: (4-banging)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4-banging »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks guys..."Dave" will be able to give ya some more info on this...but let me tell you, it was FREAKING awesome to see and hear! carazy white boi 
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Time for me to chime in!
Making 446@ 22psi Stock sleeves! If you want more info on the set-up check my garage. Tuning is really the key in a long lasting, Powerful motor. Also the engine builder plays a big role. IMHO if I had the extra $$$ I would AEBS a block. I've been making power like this for over a year, not one hic-up! I guess I like to push to envelope on what people say can't be done. I have video of the dyno run but not sure where or how to host!
dave
</TD></TR></TABLE>Time for me to chime in!
Making 446@ 22psi Stock sleeves! If you want more info on the set-up check my garage. Tuning is really the key in a long lasting, Powerful motor. Also the engine builder plays a big role. IMHO if I had the extra $$$ I would AEBS a block. I've been making power like this for over a year, not one hic-up! I guess I like to push to envelope on what people say can't be done. I have video of the dyno run but not sure where or how to host!
dave
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Re: (dmecarboy)
the way i look at it is this...Ive read alot more stories on here about sunken sleeves, poor installation, and many other problems related to inproper sleeving than i have read about people cracking there sleeves due to excessive power, I beleive that if the car is tuned well the stock sleeves should be able to handle as much power as you want in a street car..
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Re: sleeve it or not? (GSRswapandslow)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GSRswapandslow »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that much power...sleeve it...
but the MOST IMPORTANT THING TO DO IS.....TUNE IT GOOOOOD</TD></TR></TABLE>
but the MOST IMPORTANT THING TO DO IS.....TUNE IT GOOOOOD</TD></TR></TABLE>
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From: TEXAS, usa
Re: (dasher)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dasher »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">to put it simply...
stock sleeves are holding up in these cars because they are being tuned with conservative timing which allows them to run much lower cylinder pressures while at the same time sacrificing little power....
its all in the tuning and understanding how a few more degrees of timing can dramatically raise cylinder pressures ...</TD></TR></TABLE>
exactly
stock sleeves are holding up in these cars because they are being tuned with conservative timing which allows them to run much lower cylinder pressures while at the same time sacrificing little power....
its all in the tuning and understanding how a few more degrees of timing can dramatically raise cylinder pressures ...</TD></TR></TABLE>
exactly
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Re: sleeve it or not? (Kataku2K3)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kataku2K3 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Personally I think 500whp+ is BS when running stock sleeves... If it is we'll just see how long it lasts at the boost levels it takes to achieve that kind of power... Just my $0.02 again... Good luck</TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL, call it bs but I have track record to back it up and i ran it on national event, not trackn'tune day.
How is your 700 or is it 800Hp show car looking civic doing on the track? Hope that's not bs.
LOL, call it bs but I have track record to back it up and i ran it on national event, not trackn'tune day.
How is your 700 or is it 800Hp show car looking civic doing on the track? Hope that's not bs.
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Re: (dmecarboy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dmecarboy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Time for me to chime in!
Making 446@ 22psi Stock sleeves! If you want more info on the set-up check my garage. Tuning is really the key in a long lasting, Powerful motor. Also the engine builder plays a big role. IMHO if I had the extra $$$ I would AEBS a block. I've been making power like this for over a year, not one hic-up! I guess I like to push to envelope on what people say can't be done. I have video of the dyno run but not sure where or how to host!
dave</TD></TR></TABLE>I seen it make all the power on stock sleeves. It's all in the tuning. Apexi Power FC.
Time for me to chime in!
Making 446@ 22psi Stock sleeves! If you want more info on the set-up check my garage. Tuning is really the key in a long lasting, Powerful motor. Also the engine builder plays a big role. IMHO if I had the extra $$$ I would AEBS a block. I've been making power like this for over a year, not one hic-up! I guess I like to push to envelope on what people say can't be done. I have video of the dyno run but not sure where or how to host!
dave</TD></TR></TABLE>I seen it make all the power on stock sleeves. It's all in the tuning. Apexi Power FC.
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Re: sleeve it or not? (Si-Yaaa!)
If you are going to spend all that money, all that time and all that work to get the goods inside a block to make power, why not spend a little more so that no matter what the block won't be the weak link. Sleeve it and forget about it. Then you can do anything you want and make as much power as you want without worrying!
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Re: sleeve it or not? (GoldenEagleMfg.com)
I have nothing against sleeving ... but 850-1000 $ for shipping and sleeving is a bit of money to throw around when someone is trying to build a street car...
over 500 whp has been proven time and time again on stock sleeves and I just don't see the point in spending any more money when I'm not building a race car and neither are most individuals ....
... but rest assured , I'll be giving you a call if some freak accident happens to my block and my sleeves crack.... I just don't see it happening with a good tune and conservative timing though ...
over 500 whp has been proven time and time again on stock sleeves and I just don't see the point in spending any more money when I'm not building a race car and neither are most individuals ....
... but rest assured , I'll be giving you a call if some freak accident happens to my block and my sleeves crack.... I just don't see it happening with a good tune and conservative timing though ...
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Re: sleeve it or not? (jinxproof99)
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alot of people have made great power on stock sleeves. my motor lasted 2 years with honda sleeves @ well over 500 to the wheels. tuning is the key.
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Where'd you get your car tune??
Are you using Hondata? And what's turbo are you using? You are my hero!! I've always though that the stock sleeve can't handle anything more than 18 psi, but recently those rules have fallen like dominoes.
alot of people have made great power on stock sleeves. my motor lasted 2 years with honda sleeves @ well over 500 to the wheels. tuning is the key.
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Where'd you get your car tune??
Are you using Hondata? And what's turbo are you using? You are my hero!! I've always though that the stock sleeve can't handle anything more than 18 psi, but recently those rules have fallen like dominoes.
