should I get crower valvetrain?
08-25-2002, 04:11 PM
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should I get crower valvetrain?
I'm gonna strengthen to stock valvetrain for a little more rev. I'm stumped. I'm thinking about going with Crower, but All my buddy's use JUN with success, the only thing is, they have NA motors.
What are good springs and retainers to use with high rev turbo motors? What do you guys use?
I got a buddy of mine telling me that a lot of people use motorcycle valve springs and they work great. Is that true?
What are good springs and retainers to use with high rev turbo motors? What do you guys use?
I got a buddy of mine telling me that a lot of people use motorcycle valve springs and they work great. Is that true?
08-25-2002, 04:14 PM
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Re: should I get crower valvetrain? (paul_vang)
Crower valve train is responsible for killing two motors that I know (one mine) locally. Their cams suck, their springs are too stiff, and their retainers have a tendency to break. When any of these components fail, often times you're looking at a new motor
Id stick with JUN, Portflow, Skunk or Ferrera. But no crower. Friends dont let friends run crower valve train on VTECs
Id stick with JUN, Portflow, Skunk or Ferrera. But no crower. Friends dont let friends run crower valve train on VTECs
08-25-2002, 04:22 PM
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Re: should I get crower valvetrain? (VaporTrail)
Crower valve train is responsible for killing two motors that I know (one mine) locally. Their cams suck, their springs are too stiff, and their retainers have a tendency to break. When any of these components fail, often times you're looking at a new motor
Id stick with JUN, Portflow, Skunk or Ferrera. But no crower. Friends dont let friends run crower valve train on VTECs
Id stick with JUN, Portflow, Skunk or Ferrera. But no crower. Friends dont let friends run crower valve train on VTECs
08-25-2002, 04:45 PM
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Re: should I get crower valvetrain? (paul_vang)
ive also seen jun stuff fail
FWIW i have manley stuff in my head, but only because i got it for free.
Ferrea is the best there is, otherwise use stock.
FWIW i have manley stuff in my head, but only because i got it for free.
Ferrea is the best there is, otherwise use stock.
08-25-2002, 04:47 PM
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Re: should I get crower valvetrain? (paul_vang)
I hear that the retainer problem has been fixed.....remember reading someone hear saying that there is a noticable visual difference. Maybe Jinxproof---not too sure though.
Also on a sidenote. I have Crower springs coming to me this week. They are for my LS. These are the High Pressure/Dual Race springs. Found on crowers site here http://crower.com/cat/import/honda/valvetrain.shtml .
Just wondering if anyone had any luck running these??
Also on a sidenote. I have Crower springs coming to me this week. They are for my LS. These are the High Pressure/Dual Race springs. Found on crowers site here http://crower.com/cat/import/honda/valvetrain.shtml .
Just wondering if anyone had any luck running these??
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08-25-2002, 05:05 PM
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Re: should I get crower valvetrain? (paul_vang)
i planned on going all Skunk2 except for the cam; seeing how Skunk hasn't developed a cam for the D16. I was going to go with Crower's cam, but what I've read today and heard in the past, I might pass; what's another good option for the D16?
08-25-2002, 05:45 PM
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Re: should I get crower valvetrain? (paul_vang)
I got my entire ferrea valve train for $900 from Port Flow. If the money if there go with Ferrea. Better yet, send the head to Port Flow for double the price.
08-25-2002, 05:48 PM
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Re: should I get crower valvetrain? (Brian_92GSR)
I got my entire ferrea valve train for $900 from Port Flow. If the money if there go with Ferrea. Better yet, send the head to Port Flow for double the price.
Same science...don't understand why they wouldn't want to do a SOHC as well.
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08-25-2002, 06:33 PM
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Re: should I get crower valvetrain? (Charlie)
I have ferrea package. They are $950 for the whole package. Tom at port flow did all the work on my b16 head. I don't have faith crower products.
08-25-2002, 07:42 PM
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Re: should I get crower valvetrain? (Charlie)
well i haven't heard of them having any problems. I think there are tested to max rev of 9.5k or somthing.
Wait until I come out....ericks racing has nothing on my turbo motor
just playing wit yah bro
Erick's racing OWNZ
but then again charlie if I was to go crower, why not go JUN? I have already experinced 3 cars with them and they have been running strong for years now
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08-25-2002, 08:08 PM
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Re: should I get crower valvetrain? (paul_vang)
i have seen two jun equipped cars drop valves. Still no ferrea failures... why risk it?
also ive never seen a stock retainer fail for that matter -- ask joe alaniz bout that
also ive never seen a stock retainer fail for that matter -- ask joe alaniz bout that
08-25-2002, 08:23 PM
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Re: should I get crower valvetrain? (VaporTrail)
what i have seen from stocks fail is when too light of a valve spring is used, the valve floats, hits the piston and at that point the valve drops. If the retainer is used with a heavy spring rate, things seem to work well. I have only seen valves drop when stock sprigns were used, i mean who upgrades valve springs and uses stock retainers? Joe alaniz does. Think about it... those things are hardened steel, and steel is very very strong.
08-25-2002, 08:30 PM
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Re: should I get crower valvetrain? (FFgeoff)
I've seen stock b16's fail. with stock valve springs, upgraded valve springs, stock cams, upgraded cams, it doesnt matter. 3 times in a period of 8 months, all different owners. None had raised rev limiters either...
08-25-2002, 08:32 PM
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Re: should I get crower valvetrain? (FFgeoff)
i've never seen or heard of a JUN or Skunk retainer failing, at least until hearing from you. But things break, and no matter what, nothing is invincible. I've yet to see a bullet proof motor.
08-25-2002, 08:57 PM
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Re: should I get crower valvetrain? (TheShocker)
ill show you some pics of some not so bullet proof 2jz's if youd like
toyota or honda, they all crack one day.
toyota or honda, they all crack one day.
08-25-2002, 09:32 PM
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Re: should I get crower valvetrain? (FFgeoff)
ill show you some pics of some not so bullet proof 2jz's if youd like
toyota or honda, they all crack one day.
toyota or honda, they all crack one day.
08-25-2002, 11:04 PM
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Re: should I get crower valvetrain? (VaporTrail)
Jeff at IB said he can hook me up with some of his new valvetrain parts that jsut cam out....I think that's what he was trying to say. He wants 350 for a set of springs and retainers
08-26-2002, 04:31 AM
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Re: should I get crower valvetrain? (Matthew)
anyone have horror stories about web valvetrain? that's what's in my motor right now & i haven't had any problems as of yet...