DDTECH

I was @ TDC Performance in ALA tuning some cars, and this car happened to be one of my best friends cars, and wanted to share some of the results with you guys.. to show how important, tuning is.

I want to also send a special thanks out to the Guys at TDC and specially Mike. Mike not only had us over for dinner.. with his awesome family, but then spent the better part of over 4 hours on the dyno with us, after midnight allowing me to dial this car in.. There's not too many people left that car about the industry and sport as a whole, This guy is one of them.

The setup is simple, yet effective to a point. The setup wasn't put together by me, I obviously would have done some things differently, however, it works.

B16
Sleeved
Piston/rods 9:1 comp.
Stock Head, with Valvetrain upgrade and pro2(FML).
Stock Stroke
Stock Tranny
340 Fuel pump from TDC
ID1000's
GT30R Turbo on a Ram horn.
STOCK IGN system
NGK 8's gapped to .022

I originally street tuned the car on 13.5psi because I wanted him to get a new fuel pump and when he did, we let it eat.
On the street tune, on 13.5 Psi, it came in with 323whp on the first pull, Not bad, but originally I wanted more... lmao This car had been killing the street scene in Gulfport/Biloxi for awhile on 13psi..

The pro2's were a terrible choice by the previous owner, as well as the turbo But we made em work for now.. He's leaving for a tour and we wanted the car done. When he gets back he'll be putting a set of DDTECH's in and we'll be upgrading the turbo. The pro2's are hurting this setup, but for right now , they are ok.

We started upping the boost and constantly checking the plugs, and at one point I even baroscope the pistons to ensure that things were burning evenly.

We ended @ 27 psi on pump 93 shell gas. Total timing is at 19.5 degrees.
440whp @ 8800ish.. We stopped reving @ 9100rpms, power was still pointing up, but I felt this was a safe rev limit for now.. Keep in mind before he acquired this car/setup it had sat for over a year..doing nothing.

For those wondering, I did try for 30psi..lol, sadly it started blowing spark out at 7200rpms.. I didn't wanna gap em down anymore and I felt like this was pretty much a good stopping point. With E85, it should do over 500whp as it is. I'll update it with more as things progress.

I'll get the dyno / some runs posted as well but right now, i'm sure everyone loves to see vids like this

How about some runs vs a 600+rwhp GT500 on bigs and littles?
Motors in a CRX, Enjoy!

and remember, you pay a tuner for his knowledge and skills.. just because you CANT afford it, doesn't mean you should skimp on it. This car has been raced NON stop since I've tuned it.. and we plan on turning it up more.

Food for thought as well, this car has done over 500+whp on a bigger turbo. I just found it funny it did so well on a stock head/stroke lol..

The runs: There's a few runs that didn't work out for either car. There were 3 good runs total. 1 50 roll and 2 60 rolls.

A datalog run for ****.

mrbsponge

it was a good ole time my buddy. Glad I could help

LightningTeg

Seems like it needs some tires!

DDTECH

Thanks for some tips.. stuff goes along way.

89efhatchy

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Nice!

Jimmy

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nice man

89efhatchy

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Just curious for my own setup. How did the torque look, and what kind of Dyno was this on. We use a mustang. We'll be tuning mine on 93/meth with the s360.

TheShodan

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S360 BW is quite a bit slower than the GT30R, but I think the camshafts will work with that. Just keep boost pressures under 25psi and you'll be fine.

Good turbo, though.. It works..

Compressor Wheel Inducer - 60mm
Compressor Wheel Exducer - 83.5mm
Turbine Wheel Inducer - 76.2mm
Turbine Wheel Exducer - 67.5 mm

booboo782

Post up the low/high timing maps if you get a sec. I have practically the same setup in an 84mm but with CTR cams on E85. I'm learning to tune ignition right now by reading plugs and so forth. Curious to see what this setup's post VE Ign. ramp looked like.

TheShodan

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DDTECH will more than likely PM you that information if he's willing.

DDTECH

Torque was 302. Was done on TDC's Dynojet. Mike was operating it while i was tuning it.

Held flat and held high, we stopped reving but the power / torque was still carrying.

I'll post maps np.

wantboost

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Wanna come to ga and tune my car?
Or maybe take a road trip to Baton Rouge... always wanted to visit

HandBanana

that is an awesome turbo for a high-revving 4 cylinder motor. I had that turbo on my SRT neon and it couldn't quite hit its peak power with only winding out to 6250rpm. With your set-up you should make some impressive #'s and have a really nice highway pull.

DDTECH

The GT30R is limitied to around 500-525/550whp. Mike's done them on alot of SR20 type setups and thats the norm usually before the turbo starts to really max out.

Its a good hwy type car.. I'm in the process of dialing in boost by gear so he doesn't have to do 70 rolls like a fucken ricer LOL..

wantboost, Honestly brother, i do get flown around to tune cars and such and i usually cut good deals when groups all pitch in. I honestly dont forsee it being a problem if you'd like to meet @ TDC thats kindof in the middle, i dont see that being a very far drive from you and if that wouldn't work, we can always work something out.. If you are serious, pay for my food and give me a place to sleep and i'll tune the car for free, just pay the dyno time

Cells on my website, Just give me a buzz, we can setup something. I do routine travels to mississippi like every other week, business is booming a good bit now with tuning so..

wantboost

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Yea it'll be awhile before the car is done. Just aren't that many honda tuners here that I trust with a build like mine.

I have a place for you to crash and I'll supply all the food and beer you want lol. I have a few friends with dynos here that I could use for the cost of beer though. Take you out and hit up downtown Atlanta on the weekend

But really I want to come to Louisiana. I figure it'd be fun to drive through the backroads and bayous and see the real Louisiana. None of that tourist crap

And while I want to try the gsc t1s eventually I'll want an awesome set of ddtech bumpsticks

89efhatchy

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What do you mean by slower? Talking about spool? It's a twin scroll setup. I also have itr cams. I've been doing a little street tuning on 10-11psi. It spools pretty well in my opinion. I should have close to 4k rpms of full boost revving to 9k. Doubt I'll go any higher than that since its just a daily driver.

wantboost

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It's divided not twin scroll... common misunderstanding.

The divided housing was created for diesel applications to keep the exhaust pulses slightly divided, a truetwin scroll turbine hhousing keeps the exhaust pulses entirely separate from each other until they reach the wheel, even then for the full volute there is a divider to ensure the exhaust gasses stay laminar and somewhat separate

There are only 3 true twin scroll turbochargers around

The evo 4-9 TD05HR-16G6-10.5 (9.8) turbos
The jdm Subaru sti twin scroll turbo
Ane the Borg Warner EFR series turbos

Divided turbos have slightly better response with a torque curve that climbs with rpm
Twin scroll turbos have mind boggling response across the entire rpm range regardless of gear, due to design they produce a powerband that has an entirely flat torque curve no matter the rpm while still producing amazing horsepower everywhere along the curve

The Mitsubishi evo4-9 turbos seem to produce almost as much torque as they do horsepower regardless of what motor it seems. I mean people making 350hp with one make 300-330ish ftlb of torque.

There are also a lot of custom wheel upgrades from larger turbine wheels to cast and billet larger compressor wheels. With a 6mm larger turbine wheel and cast 20g compressor wheel people have noticed almost no difference in spool time all while making over 150 more horsepower

This Is why I'm building an evo8/9 turbo right now for my civic. Custom billet 20g compressor wheel that has extended tip technology and a 5mm taller inducer blade height. People are making 600whp on this turbo when it's just a 20g lol

Sorry for the rant but theshodan is right. Given the borg warners turbine design and size as well as the housing size it will spool much later

TheShodan

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I've worked with the S360 for several years.. It pales in comparison to the responsiveness and recovery of a GT30R. Especially with that larger divided housing and exhaust wheel. You'll make more top end power than a GT30R, but that little turbo will walk all over that S360 in acceleration and lower end torque..

89efhatchy

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To a certain point I agree. It's quite a bit more responsive than I expected on this little motor though. I wanted to do a gtx3076, but for where this car will probably end up, I couldn't see spending $1000 more on that turbo. There's a good chance I'll get carried away with this one like the past cars so the 60mm probably won't stay.

DDTECH

This turbo would really shine on something with a bigger stroke then a plastic straw.. LMAO

DDTECH

Here's some more videos.
These were taken early in the year, this was when the car was on 13.5psi.

Camera car is a bone stock '14 5.0 mustang, trapped pretty high at the track
Car's / mods are in the youtube comments.

DDTECH

Maps as requested.
High cam fuel
low cam fuel
High cam IGN map

Muckman

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Its pretty amazing to see this level of sharing. Thanks Derek!

DDTECH

Always about Paving the way brother. Tuning logic and theories are almost always the same. Some people share, some don't.

Some people still don't believe this is on pump gas, Plug reading goes along way, listening to the engine, know what to look for, and feel..it all goes into "experience"..
I've been tuning cars for awhile and its just something I think i'm good at.. I always want to share to help someone else better their knowledge.

dcmatt

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Nice vid.