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Old Mar 7, 2011 | 09:45 AM
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Okay, so i finally found time to drop the bottem end out of my b16 and figure out why it was burning oil and why i lost quite a bit of compression and it turns out the ring lands on all 4 pistons were cracked in more than just one spot, however luckily the rings did their job and kept them held together on the drive home from the strip, so now i am finally going to piece together an internal build from rods all the way to camshafts, so that being said i am looking for some insight from members who have a the same engine setup (jdm b16 2nd gen running a turbocharger and fuel system upgrades, pretty much everything to accompany a turbo build like it should be) and the pros and cons of the components that they have installed in their vehicle, i believe i am going to be using a full Blox valvetrain, however the only valves i find from them are high comp and i want standard to keep the ratio down, also i need some input on which camshafts seem to work well with boosted setups, i want a high lift cam but it doesnt need to be too obnoxious so i am thinking im going to get the competition cams from blox but would again like some input from owners that have some as to which cams they use and the pros and cons, last but not least, the pistons/rods, i am looking for a good combination of pistons and rods and would prefer not having to piece the two together, give me some input on the setups you use and the pros and cons, thanks for the help if you are willing to offer it, oh and if you dont have any experience in this category than i suggest you not bother writing anythings
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Old Mar 7, 2011 | 09:53 AM
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tons of info in the search box!
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Old Mar 7, 2011 | 10:37 AM
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Spend 1hr looking around on here and other forums and all your questions would of been answered already. You've never stated a power goal that you want to reach.
Any piston/rod combo will work. Eagle is one of the more popular rods. Wiseco Je cp are all good pistons. itr/ctr cams will do fine probably. Supertech/Bc/blox/ferrea are all companies who make valve train stuff.
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Old Mar 7, 2011 | 11:20 AM
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I wouldnt put a Blox anything on my engine, but thats just me. Without knowing the cars purpose and your power goals there really isnt much for us to help you with.
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Old Mar 7, 2011 | 02:23 PM
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You have some learning to do. ^^^ First, pick a power goal. That will determine things such as cams and turbo.

Pistons and rods don't come together, you have to piece them together. It's a very easy thing to do. As said above go with eagle rods, Wiseco JE CP and Arias all make qualty pistons. Again this can change based on your goal, eagles and some wrist pins don't like much over 500whp
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Old Mar 7, 2011 | 04:29 PM
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just shooting for around 350-400 whp, why wouldnt you put anything blox in your engine? and the only reason i didnt search for anything was because everytime i do i get more crappy stuff than good stuff, im thinnking about going with some arias pistons but idk if i want eagle rods or not....
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Old Mar 7, 2011 | 04:33 PM
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however i am not going to be sleeving the engine i figure i can get away with a block guard and be able to set up several tunes depending on octane rating, boost wanted, and vtec controller settings....
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Old Mar 7, 2011 | 04:53 PM
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I wouldnt put a Blox anything on my engine, but thats just me. Without knowing the cars purpose and your power goals there really isnt much for us to help you with.
I made 522whp with blox b cams. Nothing wrong with blox.
Just some advice get your Motor sleeved it saves the head ache of doing it later. A block guard is a waste of money. I originally built a b16 piston/rod block guard turbo motor. So I talk from expierience. I personally like REV valvetrain.
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Old Mar 7, 2011 | 04:57 PM
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If your just shooting for 350-400 you'll make that reliably with just pistons and rods. Get a decent ems. A vtec controller is a nono. Look into hondata,ectune, Neptune for ems. Btw I use eagle rods and plenty of people with a lot more power then me run eagle rods
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Old Mar 7, 2011 | 05:08 PM
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^^^ True. Some people are running 800 with eagle rods. But that doesnt make it a good idea. People run stock blocks with 500whp, again I wouldnt do it.

Either way it doesn't matter with a goal of 400. As redhatch said, don't bother with a block gaurd. Sleeves arent necessary at that power level either. What rods would you get other than eagle?
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Old Mar 7, 2011 | 05:13 PM
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Even though i plan on making 700+ on my eagles. I personally want to try a grp aluminum rod setup. But there are plenty of good rods out there.
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Old Mar 7, 2011 | 07:27 PM
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as far as the head goes i would use some type r cams are great or if you want somthing new skunk2 has some nice options, stock valves(trust me this isnt some crazy secret) spring retainers you should be fine with most companys look for supertech,brian crower esc. eagle rods are fine i have made 500+ on the older 5/16 rods with 2yrs plus hard boosting. i like wiseco and cp pistons, arp headstuds, stock mains are fine new oem oil pump is a must. besides that a good tune is needed idk where you are located but the tune is everything.
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Old Mar 7, 2011 | 08:47 PM
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eagle use to be a best buy for rods. now manley is rivaling them with 700hp h beams for the same price

pistons are hard to go wrong with. all the big names make great slugs

mahle happens to be a good buy at the moment around $450 a set. very good street/track piston since they are 4032
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Old Mar 8, 2011 | 06:10 AM
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well i live in northern illinois, i plan on getting a hondata s300 ecu setup so i can datalog and hopefully eventually be able to do my own tuning, so you guyys are saying with the 400hp power goal i dont need to worry about sleeving or a block guard? and as for piston/rod combo i think im going to go with arias pistons with eagle rods, my buddy had them in his b16 and was running over 400 to the wheels with e85, i was actually debating to just keep my stock valves, i would like to get a different set of camshafts to give it a little appeal when im strolling through a parking lot, haha, i know there are tons of tuning places in chicago but my last car i had was stolen in chicago and i am very cautious now with where i go with it
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Old Mar 8, 2011 | 06:38 AM
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Cams without valvetrain is a big no-no over ITR cams. You could ruin the engine that way. Also, getting lopey cams may sound cool, but usually that means that they were not degreed correctly. Its best to keep stock cams/valvetrain/ and redline if keeping the stock head

Check out similar builds that you're looking for. Use Google or Bing as your main search engine, and not the one in the forums itself.
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Old Mar 8, 2011 | 07:28 AM
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well thats the dilemma i have, id like to be able to upgrade the valvetrain and get some decent lift camshafts
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Old Mar 8, 2011 | 07:45 AM
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Get valve springs and titanium retainers for the head and you'll be fine. There are plenty of high hp cars running stock valves.
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Old Mar 8, 2011 | 08:03 AM
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****, racebum said manleys selling the 700 hp rods for the same price. why not go with them so your not buying parts twice?
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Old Mar 8, 2011 | 09:39 AM
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thanks for all the input, racebum do you by any chance have the manley part # for those rods you speak of?
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Old Mar 8, 2011 | 09:47 AM
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so i looked on the manley website and they dont make h beam rods for a b16, they are all b18 and b20
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