sc61 is not for everybody. :)
07-11-2005, 06:57 AM
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sc61 is not for everybody. :)
Well I have a b16a with an sc61 turbo, I didn't pick it, I bought the car with it on.
Well after discovering quite a few shortcuts on the turbo setup after I bought it of course, I need to pull the motor and get the block decked and honed.
I got a labor hookup, to pull the motor for me, but he wants the sc61 as payment, I agreed.
So now I'm new turbo shopping.
I didn't like the lag of the sc61 at all, I'd hit the gas and it was gutless b16, 3000 rpms gutless b16, 4000 rpms gutless b16, 5000 rpms gutless b16, 6000 rpms OHHH **** HOLD ON TO SOMETHING!!!!!
I think it was 10 psi around 5800 rpms, no fun at all, I didn't even get a single pound till I hit 4300-4500 rpms.
I want a more streetable turbo, something that spools around 3000 rpms, something where I can give the car a little throttle the turbo spools and I'm out at a pretty quick pace, not have to downshift two gears to enjoy boost. I want a smooth linear power band.
My boy has an sc44 he is willing to let go, but I think even that is too big.
The motor has 9:7 cp pistons, eagle h beam rods, arp headstuds, golden eagle block guard and an equal length manifold. My goal is 350 whp.
Would the sc34 be the perfect turbo or should I go smaller, I hear the sc50 is good till 450 hp but I don't know if it can hold boost till 8000 rpms.
What do you guys think?
Well after discovering quite a few shortcuts on the turbo setup after I bought it of course, I need to pull the motor and get the block decked and honed.
I got a labor hookup, to pull the motor for me, but he wants the sc61 as payment, I agreed.
So now I'm new turbo shopping.
I didn't like the lag of the sc61 at all, I'd hit the gas and it was gutless b16, 3000 rpms gutless b16, 4000 rpms gutless b16, 5000 rpms gutless b16, 6000 rpms OHHH **** HOLD ON TO SOMETHING!!!!!
I think it was 10 psi around 5800 rpms, no fun at all, I didn't even get a single pound till I hit 4300-4500 rpms.
I want a more streetable turbo, something that spools around 3000 rpms, something where I can give the car a little throttle the turbo spools and I'm out at a pretty quick pace, not have to downshift two gears to enjoy boost. I want a smooth linear power band.
My boy has an sc44 he is willing to let go, but I think even that is too big.
The motor has 9:7 cp pistons, eagle h beam rods, arp headstuds, golden eagle block guard and an equal length manifold. My goal is 350 whp.
Would the sc34 be the perfect turbo or should I go smaller, I hear the sc50 is good till 450 hp but I don't know if it can hold boost till 8000 rpms.
What do you guys think?
07-11-2005, 07:09 AM
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Re: sc61 is not for everybody. :) (EGP)
sc34 good turbo
look @ camp1320.com
i have my sc34 equivilent which is a t3/t43 57 trim with a .63 on the exhaust side
I can hit 21 lbs by 5500.....
Makes good power...
Cost....
Something like $500 shipped....band new...
look @ camp1320.com
i have my sc34 equivilent which is a t3/t43 57 trim with a .63 on the exhaust side
I can hit 21 lbs by 5500.....
Makes good power...
Cost....
Something like $500 shipped....band new...
07-11-2005, 07:16 AM
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If you want the best turbo for your needs it would be a ball bearing GT28R or GT28RS depending on you whp goals ...
This will spool really fast and get you a good linear torque band.
This will spool really fast and get you a good linear torque band.
07-11-2005, 07:36 AM
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Re: (yellowturbo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by yellowturbo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you want the best turbo for your needs it would be a ball bearing GT28R or GT28RS depending on you whp goals ...
This will spool really fast and get you a good linear torque band.</TD></TR></TABLE>
it might seem expensive, but when you get boost 10 times a day, it only costs 25cents a time
This will spool really fast and get you a good linear torque band.</TD></TR></TABLE>
it might seem expensive, but when you get boost 10 times a day, it only costs 25cents a time
07-11-2005, 08:14 AM
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Re: sc61 is not for everybody. :) (EGP)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EGP »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hear the sc50 is good till 450 hp but I don't know if it can hold boost till 8000 rpms.</TD></TR></TABLE>
B16, 8.8:1cr, sc50 @ 15-16psi
B16, 8.8:1cr, sc50 @ 15-16psi
07-11-2005, 08:32 AM
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Re: sc61 is not for everybody. :) (11psiTurboSI)
The Sc50 will have no problem holding boost until even 9k rpms on a b16. It's a good turbo for that engine.
However, I think the SC34 is a better choice since it has potential to make more power but will lag a bit more.
GT28rs are in the $1000 range. They won't make as much peak power, but they spool the quickest since they're ballbearing and are relatively small.
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07-11-2005, 12:04 PM
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Re: (yellowturbo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by yellowturbo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you want the best turbo for your needs it would be a ball bearing GT28R or GT28RS depending on you whp goals ...
This will spool really fast and get you a good linear torque band.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would recommend the same ball bearing turbo(s) if your looking for under 400hp. Now that I have a ball bearing turbo I wouldn't recommend anything else.
This will spool really fast and get you a good linear torque band.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would recommend the same ball bearing turbo(s) if your looking for under 400hp. Now that I have a ball bearing turbo I wouldn't recommend anything else.
07-11-2005, 12:19 PM
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Re: sc61 is not for everybody. :) (EGP)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EGP »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I didn't like the lag of the sc61 at all, I'd hit the gas and it was gutless b16, 3000 rpms gutless b16, 4000 rpms gutless b16, 5000 rpms gutless b16, 6000 rpms OHHH **** HOLD ON TO SOMETHING!!!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>
is it posisble you had a boost leak and/or an exh leak? If the setup was built wrong these could all contribute to the car feeling like complete crap. also becuase everything needs to be decked, i assume that the motor had a blown head gasket, something was not sealing the combustion chambers, etc...
is it posisble you had a boost leak and/or an exh leak? If the setup was built wrong these could all contribute to the car feeling like complete crap. also becuase everything needs to be decked, i assume that the motor had a blown head gasket, something was not sealing the combustion chambers, etc...
07-11-2005, 12:56 PM
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Re: sc61 is not for everybody. :) (ExVtec)
Wow where you can get an sc34 for 500 bucks??
I would love to get a ball bearing, but it hurts my wallet too much.
I guess I'm kinda leaning toward an sc34 in case I want to go with a little more power, probably get the .48 ar one. Thanks for the replies.
I would love to get a ball bearing, but it hurts my wallet too much.
I guess I'm kinda leaning toward an sc34 in case I want to go with a little more power, probably get the .48 ar one. Thanks for the replies.
07-11-2005, 01:17 PM
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Re: sc61 is not for everybody. :) (Full-Race Geoff)
lol you are creeping me out.
Yeah the motor was not decked when the new parts were put in. I had coolant leaking into the cylinder(s) when the car was cold and constant bubbles in my coolant. I'm in the process of removing the motor, taking it to a machine shop and doing everything the right way.
But my hp goal is not that high (350whp) so I don't mind losing the sc61.
Yeah the motor was not decked when the new parts were put in. I had coolant leaking into the cylinder(s) when the car was cold and constant bubbles in my coolant. I'm in the process of removing the motor, taking it to a machine shop and doing everything the right way.
But my hp goal is not that high (350whp) so I don't mind losing the sc61.
07-11-2005, 01:22 PM
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Re: sc61 is not for everybody. :) (Full-Race Geoff)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Full-Race Geoff »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
is it posisble you had a boost leak and/or an exh leak? If the setup was built wrong these could all contribute to the car feeling like complete crap. also becuase everything needs to be decked, i assume that the motor had a blown head gasket, something was not sealing the combustion chambers, etc...</TD></TR></TABLE>
That is exactly what I was going to say. I was spooling 8 psi by 4-4.5k on my b16. Full boost was not much beyond that.
is it posisble you had a boost leak and/or an exh leak? If the setup was built wrong these could all contribute to the car feeling like complete crap. also becuase everything needs to be decked, i assume that the motor had a blown head gasket, something was not sealing the combustion chambers, etc...</TD></TR></TABLE>
That is exactly what I was going to say. I was spooling 8 psi by 4-4.5k on my b16. Full boost was not much beyond that.
07-11-2005, 01:23 PM
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Re: sc61 is not for everybody. :) (EGP)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EGP »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow where you can get an sc34 for 500 bucks??</TD></TR></TABLE>
I believe he was talking about the a Garret and not the PT.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ExVtec »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... a t3/t43 57 trim with a .63 on the exhaust side
I can hit 21 lbs by 5500.....
Makes good power...
Cost....
Something like $500 shipped....band new...
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I believe he was talking about the a Garret and not the PT.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ExVtec »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... a t3/t43 57 trim with a .63 on the exhaust side
I can hit 21 lbs by 5500.....
Makes good power...
Cost....
Something like $500 shipped....band new...
</TD></TR></TABLE>
07-11-2005, 01:57 PM
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Re: sc61 is not for everybody. :) (CRX T-Si)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX T-Si »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I believe he was talking about the a Garret and not the PT.
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i don't think you can even get a garret 57 trim t3/t04e for 500 shipped new.....unless it fell off the truck somewhere....
BTW i have that same turbo and its a great street turbo....starts to spool just under 3000rpm and full boost by 4-4500rpm.......
I believe he was talking about the a Garret and not the PT.
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i don't think you can even get a garret 57 trim t3/t04e for 500 shipped new.....unless it fell off the truck somewhere....
BTW i have that same turbo and its a great street turbo....starts to spool just under 3000rpm and full boost by 4-4500rpm.......
07-11-2005, 02:20 PM
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Re: sc61 is not for everybody. :) (EGP)
Like Geoff said you have something wrong ... Period. Is the SC61E overkill for your application? Yes. You need to figure out what's wrong though. On the same displacement motor with some mechanical problems we got 8lbs of boost by 5,800RPM with a much larger T4 turbocharger.
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Re: sc61 is not for everybody. :) (0x64)
Thanks for the replies,
The motor is bad, it was not decked, when the block guard was installed, it's leaking coolant into the cylinders. The motor is getting pulled and redone at a machine shop.
I understand that if my motor was in good condition the sc61 would spool better, and the sc61 is an awesome turbo, but it's still overkill for my goals, so I was just wondering what would be a good turbo for what I want to do. Thanks again guys, I'm looking at a sc34 or equivalent Garrett hybrid.
The motor is bad, it was not decked, when the block guard was installed, it's leaking coolant into the cylinders. The motor is getting pulled and redone at a machine shop.
I understand that if my motor was in good condition the sc61 would spool better, and the sc61 is an awesome turbo, but it's still overkill for my goals, so I was just wondering what would be a good turbo for what I want to do. Thanks again guys, I'm looking at a sc34 or equivalent Garrett hybrid.
07-12-2005, 09:05 AM
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Re: sc61 is not for everybody. :) (K_Motor)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by K_Motor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think this turbo is not for everyone...GT42R.. 
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lol yeah just the "big guys"
</TD></TR></TABLE>lol yeah just the "big guys"
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Re: (Slammd Sol)
from cheapturbo.com.
I got this on my fully built GSR making 311whp/275tq @ 10 psi!!!!! Boost starts around 2500rpms, full boost by mid/high 3500rpms!!!
COMPRESSOR SPECS:
flow: 50 lbs/min 640cfm
.60 A/R HOUSING
57 TRIM WHEEL
TURBINE SPECS:
.48 A/R HOUSING
STAGE 3 WHEEL
supportable of 400whp!
price: $619.00
CFT SUCKS!!!!!
I got this on my fully built GSR making 311whp/275tq @ 10 psi!!!!! Boost starts around 2500rpms, full boost by mid/high 3500rpms!!!
COMPRESSOR SPECS:
flow: 50 lbs/min 640cfm
.60 A/R HOUSING
57 TRIM WHEEL
TURBINE SPECS:
.48 A/R HOUSING
STAGE 3 WHEEL
supportable of 400whp!
price: $619.00
CFT SUCKS!!!!!
