slowsi00

i know the whp can be done


but can the 500-600whp guys gettign more than 30 passes at the track with there car? without rebuilding or major **** like that?

oscarmayer

YES "IF" you build themotor correctly and build to take a lot more pounding.

"Over build the damn thing and it will last yrs"

slowsi00

well i know that you would have to do the basics

of sleeve new pistons and rods,
and fuel management

how long would it be before major rebuilding is needed?
how many 500-600whp cars are lasting 25-50k miles on them with more than 30 passes at the track?

oscarmayer

well it depends on how well you take care of it. Serously, if you take are of it and don't try to make eevry acceleration a contest, then it should last a few yrs w/o issues. That means run synthetic oils only, change oiland spark plugs every 3500-4000 miles max. keep your radiatir and cooling system up to date. proper cooling fans and all that. I have seen some of those cars go for yrs w/o issues and I have seen them last 1 day. It is driver/owner dependant.

If you r a guy who doesn't do any qwrench turning, then you do not a car that puts more than 325 to the wheels. because even then your going to ruin it.
If your the kind who has several yrs udner your belt at engine building and maintance, then your goign to make it last w/o issues.

slowsi00

any other opinions

alpha

It can be done given the builder knows what he/she is doing. I would buy new pistons, pins, rings, injectors, management, rods, sleeves, oil pump gear, bearings, gaskets, timing belt tensioner, timing belt, water pump, oil pump, seals, timing belt tensioner spring, thrust washers, etc., etc., etc., etc.

g2turbo

motormatrix....jinx.... where you guys at on this one. Kinda interesting topic to me except i only want about 400 whp on my next buildup.

i say to answer your question though its possible with the right parts

If its built right there should be no problem. Just curious why would you want that much power?

CHRIS

SIXTYdashONE

My philosophy is, 500hp-600hp is just a number, when your building a car, do people build these cars for a dyno number these days? or do they build them to run good ET's? A number is just a number. I have seen 700hp civics run 11's and 300hp civics run 10's. i rather run 10's. So, bsically, to answer your question, in order to build a 500-600hp civic, the word reliable might not be in your immediate vocabulary. it will run, and last a lil if its built right, and more importantly, driven right , but dont expect to run it forever without refreshing it.

slowsi00

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SIXTYdashONE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My philosophy is, 500hp-600hp is just a number, when your building a car, do people build these cars for a dyno number these days? or do they build them to run good ET's? A number is just a number. I have seen 700hp civics run 11's and 300hp civics run 10's. i rather run 10's. So, bsically, to answer your question, in order to build a 500-600hp civic, the word reliable might not be in your immediate vocabulary. it will run, and last a lil if its built right, and more importantly, driven right , but dont expect to run it forever without refreshing it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

great reply

thanks

earl

We usually run the best when we are down on dyno power.
It is an accomplishment to make 10 passes without problems in the 500-700whp range, on gas. I'm sure some will claim they do this all the time but I have not seen it with any established race teams.

slowsi00

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by earl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">We usually run the best when we are down on dyno power.
It is an accomplishment to make 10 passes without problems in the 500-700whp range, on gas. I'm sure some will claim they do this all the time but I have not seen it with any established race teams.</TD></TR></TABLE>


so let me get this straight

with a 500whp car u not going to be makeing 30 passes at the track with out any issues.

what about street driving
is it that bad to drive a 500whp motor around on the street? what about if u turb down the boost and roll around?

Rickyh93

I have some friends making over 550whp. One drives around daily at 20lbs and turns the boost up for racing, the other runs 15lbs on the street and turns it up for racing. Both of there turbos spool around 4200rpm-4500rpm. So you can still drive around without seeing any boost. They do change there oil and spark plugs regularly.

btw, they have no problems running at the track. Except for when they were running stock axles. They do have traction problems even with slicks in 1st and 2nd.

HXMan

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rickyh93 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have some friends making over 550whp. One drives around daily at 20lbs and turns the boost up for racing, the other runs 15lbs on the street and turns it up for racing. Both of there turbos spool around 4200rpm-4500rpm. So you can still drive around without seeing any boost. They do change there oil and spark plugs regularly.

btw, they have no problems running at the track. Except for when they were running stock axles. They do have traction problems even with slicks in 1st and 2nd. </TD></TR></TABLE>

These guys in the Wisconsin area? I've never seen em.

Gravy

well i guess ill speak on behalf of motormatrix. i know that we were out at least 3-4 nights a week on the street with mikes car for a good six to seven months. that was at 550+ whp. so if it is built right anything will hold up.

slowsi00

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Gravy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well i guess ill speak on behalf of motormatrix. i know that we were out at least 3-4 nights a week on the street with mikes car for a good six to seven months. that was at 550+ whp. so if it is built right anything will hold up.</TD></TR></TABLE>

EFb18b

In my opinion a general 500-600hp honda isn't a daily driver and is mostly used on the track by people that will be pushing it and pushing it hard so more than likely you won't find that they last long at all. For example, my engine isn't done yet but has an "estimated" power range of 585-615hp before the nitrous and will be used for track only but I plan on stripping it down at the end of each year just to check it out and make sure everything looks right. Maybe do a couple of changes here and there but mostly for preventive maintainence. If the engine is built right and maintained correctly it should last at least 5-10 hard passes without major problems. If you are going to be racing the car expect the worse and hope for the best. Its just the nature of racing and mechanical devices in general.

Rickyh93

Not in Wisconsin yet they in Atlanta.

rjardy

Why do people seem to think that 600 whp is something that feasibly can be done for a daily driver? I think that a good whp for a daily driven car is mid 300's. 600 is a bit outlandish for a reliable daily driven anything.


Rob

Boostfed

I drive my car daily! I have boost set at 12-15psi and no problems. Now I do have ecu problems. I only have been boosting it because I am trying to solve this problem but other than that the car is daily driveable with no problems. STiff clucth and all but other than that I drive it around and it is the same as when it was 370whp but I lowered the boost on the street. Like I said I am not always REVVING the **** out of my car either.

Rickyh93

You don't have to run full boost all the time. 300-400 is more reasonable for daily driver but it is nice to turn the boost up at the track.

ahobbs

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rjardy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why do people seem to think that 600 whp is something that feasibly can be done for a daily driver? I think that a good whp for a daily driven car is mid 300's. 600 is a bit outlandish for a reliable daily driven anything.


Rob</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree. I don't see the point, also, you "must" drive on slicks to even get any traction. wh would you want to drive a 600whp civic around everyday, You've go to be rich if you have the money to ay for race gas everyday. This really puzzles me when poeple ask qestions like this. I just don't seem to understand what the point is.

Boltz

hey, can i make 1000whp in my stock d15b with 600,000 miles on it??? i dont want to spend more than 5 dollars?

p.s.- your a rediculously crazy bastard mike!

slowsi00

in no way was i implying that i was going to drive this car every day at 600whp.

i would drive around on low boost then crank it up

the blitx sbc id has 4 channels for boost settings

and with the last motor i had i would run around at 7.5psi 9.5psi and 11psi then the race gas in it i would bump it up to 16psi

9200RPM

I would be cool to say "Hey I have a 600 whp civic!"...but we take my friends rex out on weekends its got around 430whp on high boost and even on the hottest days there no hope for traction at all...So we stay about 7-10 psi...He is very easy on the car, and its been running like a champ for over a year...

DigitalFusion

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by st00pid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you need more than 520-550whp in a FWD street civic. make sure you paint the dyno graph on the side of your car, thats all its good for.</TD></TR></TABLE>