<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mangina &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">whats the average turnaround time for the sleeving process?</TD></TR></TABLE>

2wks on average for most places. sometimes less(1 week) sometimes can take 3 weeks(depending on how backlogged places are. Just depends. but good assumption and time frame is 2 weeks.

 

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correct. Although some shops offer a 1 week turnaround for extra mula

 

20psi when it blew around 400whp

 

does anybody know the phone# to golden eagle? I went to their site but didnt see one.
I need the price for a assembled block.

cant PM because Im a "trial user"
thanks

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mangina &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">does anybody know the phone# to golden eagle? I went to their site but didnt see one.
I need the price for a assembled block.

cant PM because Im a "trial user"
thanks</TD></TR></TABLE>

here you go.. Golden Eagle (909)-592-4311

 

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here you go.. Golden Eagle (909)-592-4311 </TD></TR></TABLE> thanks dom im at ext 102

 

benson can resleeve it. ive seen them resleeve a b18c-r block that basically looked the same but the head was trashed

 

Right now ERL has a turn around time of about 2 weeks.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stealthmode62 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Who else besides Bensons is doing open deck sleeves? I thought darton mids were open deck, but theres so many superdeck names and sleeving outfits these days that I can't keep track.
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Just wondering why you are wanting to stick with the open deck system? Closed deck blocks help hold the sleeves straight up and down when in the higher rpms and making big power the sleeves want to push forward on the power stroke.

 

I had Darton Midsleeves. Loved them. Wanna go that route next time too

Before



After

 

Who did your machining and how much did you pay? What block is that?

 

thanks for the #

 

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Just wondering why you are wanting to stick with the open deck system? Closed deck blocks help hold the sleeves straight up and down when in the higher rpms and making big power the sleeves want to push forward on the power stroke. </TD></TR></TABLE>


I wouldn't be against the minimal bracing like golden eagles, but much more than that and I can't see how it wouldn't be a blockage of coolant. I don't know how much the blockage effects cooling ability, but the more stock-like aftermarket sleeves have always been more appealing to me.
As far as I know, there isn't really a bastard child in the sleeving world. They all seem to have a good rep, but I can't figure out why bensons (and others) get away with open deck, and others find it necessary to build a fort around the sleeves.

450whp has been done on stock sleeves, and that's why I'm not seeing myself needing anything more than aftermarket open deck. If I'm missing something, let me know.

 

All of our superdeck systems and MID sleeves that we use have holes drilled specificly in the block guard/MID head to align up with the holes in the head so that the coolant has a straight passage between the two. I'm not trying to convince you that you need one of our blocks, I'm just try to help explain our system. Hope this helps.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blackzrd &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well it is my opinion! I never said yours or any shop was bad I just said he is better! Sorry if you dont like that!</TD></TR></TABLE>

In other words you DO NOT know what the hell you are talking about.... So shut up

 

I like aebs's t type sleeve design but cant afford them so I'm going with ge when mine pops.

 

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not to throw wood in the fire, but you're getting the better one.

 

The area of the coolant holes in the Darton MID sleeves is many times the area of the coolant holes in the head gasket. The head gasket still regulates the flow of coolant between the block and the head.

Darton MID sleeves have a coolant passage milled on the flats between the sleeves. The purpose of the groove is the cool to siamesed area between the liners aiding in keeping the sleeve rounder under high heat conditions of high boost. The addition of coolant grooves around the body of the sleeve increases the surface area in contact with coolant again helping to keep the sleeve a consistent temperature around it's circumference, thus keeping the inside of the sleeve rounder.

Closing the deck, actually supporting the top of the sleeve, decreases cylinder wall distortion. Keeping the bores as round as possible increases ring seal, reduces blow by, and allows one to run tighter piston to wall clearance.

I did a block for an Engine Masters article a couple of years ago. This block, LS1 Chevrolet with Darton MID sleeves, produced the lowest blow by numbers of any engine ever run on Wetech's engine dyno. The Honda sleeve uses the exact same technology in a smaller package.

The current edition of Engine Masters has an article on a K series MID I did for them. This is in fact the magazine's first venture into building up an import engine.

I am one of the patent holders on Darton's line of MID sleeves by the way. Yes, the sleeves are more expensive than competitive products. They are centrifugally cast one at a time. The tensile strength approaches 130,000 psi, much stronger than anything else on the market. Actually the exact same material as used in Darton's top fuel and funny car sleeves. MID sleeves are not pressed or glued into the block. They are sealed to the block by orings. Sleeves can easily be replaced should one become damaged by a broken valve or ? Bottom line, you get what you pay for.

 

Good info Steve. Thats why we use Darton sleeves in all our builds.

 

Is this the standard sales pitch darton dealers have? I've heard and read the same thing before.

 

Well I don’t know if that whole "you get what you pay for" thing was directed at Golden Eagle, because getting your block sleeved with us is much cheaper. Golden Eagle sleeves and darton sleeves can handle the same power so when sleeving with Golden Eagle you get more hp for your money because the money you save in sleeving, you can put in to other performance parts. The Golden Eagle sleeves are braced most of the way down the block not just a 1/2 inch at the top of the sleeve as you can see in the pics of our HD sleeve I posted. We do this to keep the cylinders from going out of round. We do sleeve some of the fastest cars in sport compact drag racing, people like Bergenholtz Racing’s 1400hp motors, Eggum Racing’s 1300hp motors. Bisi has used both Darton and Golden Eagle sleeves and both work well for him. To say gluing and pressing the sleeves in, in that negative context is in bad taste and can be debated. Our engineering principles in sleeving a block have stood the test in some of our PRO-Racers and delivered phenomenal performance in horsepower, reliability as well as NHRA Championships. Golden Eagle has the greatest reputation in the sport compact market for delivering the best product as well as uncompromised service. We attend to the customers needs and offer a wide array of services for the customer’s block needs. Some of these services include FULL SLEEVE installment, bore and hone, line boring, full builds, decking as well as engineering problem solving with their blocks. Golden Eagle is the one-stop shop for all block needs. We do not simply send out sleeves and have the customer be off on his merry way. Golden Eagle services the customer from START to FINISH. Customers know of this great resource & Golden Eagle will continue to service the Sport Compact Market to the fullest delivering the BEST Products and Services to them. Customers #1!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Golden Eagle &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well I don’t know if that whole "you get what you pay for" thing was directed at Golden Eagle, because getting your block sleeved with us is much cheaper. Golden Eagle sleeves and darton sleeves can handle the same power so when sleeving with Golden Eagle you get more hp for your money because the money you save in sleeving, you can put in to other performance parts. The Golden Eagle sleeves are braced most of the way down the block not just a 1/2 inch at the top of the sleeve as you can see in the pics of our HD sleeve I posted. We do this to keep the cylinders from going out of round. We do sleeve some of the fastest cars in sport compact drag racing, people like Bergenholtz Racing’s 1400hp motors, Eggum Racing’s 1300hp motors. Bisi has used both Darton and Golden Eagle sleeves and both work well for him. To say gluing and pressing the sleeves in, in that negative context is in bad taste and can be debated. Our engineering principles in sleeving a block have stood the test in some of our PRO-Racers and delivered phenomenal performance in horsepower, reliability as well as NHRA Championships. Golden Eagle has the greatest reputation in the sport compact market for delivering the best product as well as uncompromised service. We attend to the customers needs and offer a wide array of services for the customer’s block needs. Some of these services include FULL SLEEVE installment, bore and hone, line boring, full builds, decking as well as engineering problem solving with their blocks. Golden Eagle is the one-stop shop for all block needs. We do not simply send out sleeves and have the customer be off on his merry way. Golden Eagle services the customer from START to FINISH. Customers know of this great resource & Golden Eagle will continue to service the Sport Compact Market to the fullest delivering the BEST Products and Services to them. Customers #1!
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GE sleeves FTMFW!!! you get more or equal for less money..... and they offer full engine builds.... + more

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CerealKiller &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is this the standard sales pitch darton dealers have? I've heard and read the same thing before. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I dont think its meant to be just a sales pitch. Just a post to INFORM people straight from the actual guy that designed the MID sleeves. If you heard the same information before, its because others are just sharing actual technical stuff related to the product. This is still a TECH site isnt it? or should we change the name to Honda-JDMshowoff.com hehe.

Regardless of what your preference is. for Sleeves. to stock sleeves.

 

I see his point, its his opinion, but he doesn't need to knock anyone. " you get what you paid for" is not true at all. I myself will always go with GE, not because of their price, but because of their quality in products. Plus their sleeves have been proven over and over. just my .02

 

I dont think that was a direct statement to GE. I think we're just too defensive these days and assume certain statements like that pertain to certain directions. Its easy for a reader to interpret a statement like that a certain way if they already have perceived ideas in their head that it means a certain thing. I'm not trying to argue, you know thats not going anywhere. Steve's contribution on the last post was just to inform direct from the source and engineer of the product.

Lets stay away from assuming that one is trying to put the other down. Let the product speak for itself. If its successful, then there's no need to explain and justify the product at all. Its simple as that.

Have a good weekend.