camp1320.com

sorry honda-tech members.. . due to the jealous lil snitches , i have been cut access to RC injectors and my supplier have be cut from RC. No thanks to 2 of the B#$@% ( your know who you are and i know who you are too) pay back is a BIIAAATTTCCCHHHH..!! eye for an eye....I will try to get the RC injectors back. I would like to thank all the guys who have purchased in they group buy. and hopefully i will have more different parts for sale in the future.
!If all else fails i will be getting BOSCH/lucas/seminens straight from the supplier and will be making camp1320 line injectors.. with full 100% warranty no questions asked and run about $180or so. if anyone is interested let me kno they will have the same parts as RC and all injecotrs will be flow tested with out the RC sticker..!

camp1320.com

anyone want Tial wastegates, Missing link, eagle rods, aem, kamikaze headers,Drag turbo kit..?? i will have prices are all these very soon..!

funky_cornbread

Did my order at least go out? if not can i have my money order returned?

b18bturbo

hey tom... the reason that happens is we cant undercut and sell so cheap raise the prices a little and you will make more and you wont **** off any dealer.s IT happening to much... Just carry a different line like the msd,delphi and bosch do just as good.

We need to come up with a price strucutre that is stable.. people can buythings everywhere i agree. but we need to keep price structure that doesnt hurt other shops. Its hard to make living with rent work space tools etc.. just think about it...

Now with my welding machine warehouse space and all the tools it gets expensive. Like any other shop keep your price stable. If you ahe to move some products move them but then raise the price back later on.

V

Full-Race Geoff

what kind of welding machine do you have?

b18bturbo

bought it at the sema show havent gotten it in stalled and running yet Miller sd180

SYNCROWAVE 180 SD


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They had it for 1500 shipped and retial was like 2200 wiht all the gadjets.

fastludeh22

iTrader: (1)

so basically what you are saying is that since all the other shops are ripping us off, that he should rip us off too, so they dont get mad...screw that! keep up the good work, we'll support you, and maybe then they will have to bring their price's down to match yours, insted of you bringing prices up to match theres

but damn i was about to buy some injectors today

b18bturbo

you just gotta see something some alot of people dont have overhead. that why they can sell it so cheap.. Alot of people also just want to make a quick buck.. Tom on the otherhand is stand up guy great service and always has the parts there. I am just saying if he continues to sell no distritbutor in there right mind will keep selling to him becuz he is undercutting the other dealers. They set pricing structure based in the industry for a reason. That is why so many people are getting shafted becuz anyone can sell things behind a computer screen. But they cant provide the service when it comes down to crunch time. I know tom though does that, I am just venting about other different stuff i have encountered and seeing lately on many of the boards. I know most people dont care about service but service is what keeps people happy. You can alway buy a part on the net really cheap but if oyu have problem with it whose there to help you. They probbaly say get lost its your fault. Or proabbly closed down dont answer the phone etc.

Full-Race Geoff

selling too cheap is a serious problem in the honda industry. While the consumer is now getting better products than ever before, the guys who do this for a living are not able to make a living doing this anymore, so a large majority of retailers who are actaully knowledgeable are getting driven out.

This doesnt affect me really right now so i am not at all biased. I have just seen too many people selling too cheap, and every time they have something for sale its in yet ANOTHER group buy. The term group buy doesnt even mean anythign anymore, its just an excuse for someone to ***** out the products at less of a price.

If i were a consumer id be just fine with this tho

Smashback

It's a serious problem in every industry. We had the same problem with computers and parts. Everybody and their dog would set up a site and sell very very close to make a name for themselves and gain exposure. In the process they might put 2-3 other small shops out of business, and then when they realize they have to raise prices to make any money after web hosting, cc processing fees, etc, they go out of business too, so everybody loses. You see, after that, consumers are left with the big guys that sell at whatever price they feel like (take overbooststore.com for instance).

gtcali

Yeah but why is a header for the honda industry more expensive that headers (ya get 2) for v8? I think Honda prices are jacked up way to high.

But I do understand why the Retailer needs to follow the vendor's pricing.

mskibbz-T

mskibbz-T

That hit close to home bro, local shops are always closing down and opening up around here for computer parts. It's a bitch trying to decide between price or service when you are on a tight budget, but from the past few months I've learned service is way more valuable than you would think. I've gotten bum ram, hard drive, 17" flat screen, etc... recently and haven't gotten **** from the local crap holes... and these are LOCAL shops. Luckily, HT has allowed me to meet some awesome sellers like Rocket, 2K_TEG, b18bturbo, etc.. that have given me great prices AND service and their service is by far better than even the local tuning shops.

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MikePalm

Almost all local import shops i've seen go out of business was because they were idiots who didn't know much and provided crappy service. Those ones deserve to go out of business. If you know what you're doing and have a good business, then you'll have loyal customers and can charge a normal price. My parents family owned since 1960 auto parts store charges very high prices compared to what you can find on the internet, but they have super loyal customers because their service is far superior than the kids working at schucks/napa/pepboys and they are doing great.

If you can't think of a way to be better (service or price) or different than the competition, or are not an expert at something in the field, then you don't deserve to own a business and you should go out of business.

SIK IN DA HED

thats focked up... who are thr snitches? tell uS!

Tofurky

you're totaly right. but sometimes thing do get a little ridiculous. take for instance some of the honda products on the market. because of their demand, their prices have skyrocketed. you have power adders that will give you 5-6 hp, and cost around $700. i understand in america, we like to take advantage of stuff like this, i mean how else are we going to make our money? but what about the people that work hard for their cash, working minimum wage, paying rent, eating ramen & trying to save up for that turbo or engine build.
i think i'm a little off topic, but you are right about the whole unfair to other dealers burrito. i'd feel much more comfortable ordering from a reputable buesiness such as yours than going through someone who says "i got hookups & can get t_

ExospeedAMcrx

i dont sell EDELBROCK/JG stuff that often, but that market has gone down to **** according to fellow shop owners and friends. They said, Edlebrokc stuff had some good profit figures but for some reason, the pricing just went down. i havent seen it personally since I dont know the price breakdown for that line. anyways. good luck to all and hope for the best for the business owners who depend on this industry to feed their families

falcongsr

i wonder if the import craze is waning?

if not, what's gonna happen to this industry when it does?

b18bturbo

damn striaght ill at least still can build motors and do normal stuff to make a living..

falcongsr

yeah if you acquired the skills it doesnt matter if its a Honda, Hyundai, Chevrolet, Ford, Fiat, BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, whatever...

they're all just air pumps of one kind or another

khang77642

tony1

Everyone seems to think that the retailers are the reason the prices are high. The manufacturers set the prices and we go from there. The reason a header is more for a honda than a v8 is one because it's much higher quality and they aren't as mass produced as v8 stuff. A good quality set of headers costs almost double what a good honda header costs. On the other hand, you can buy a cheap honda header for $100. It's all relative.

Almost every type of business has better margins than ours. You guys think we have a 50% markup or something? Most stereo shops do but not performance shops. Usually, depending on manufacturer, the wholesaler gets around 35% off. You figure shipping in and it's closer to 30%. Now, if a retailer tries to sell a product for the publised retail price (and the price his discount is subtracted from) everyone goes around saying we are ripping people off. How do you figure? What's ******* up this industry is people who sell for 5% over cost on the internet, have no overhead, have everything dropshipped, and since they put out nothing on inventory they make 5% for doing nothing. We retailers on the other hand, work hard every day, put out money for inventory, pay employees so you can talk to someone knowledgable, and try to keep this industry alive. We sell all greddy and hks products at 15% off retail. What margin does that leave? ****, it's barely worth the time. Would you put out $10,000 for exhaust system inventory if you only made $50 on each one sold. It's not a good investment. Anyways, please understand that the retailers aren't trying to rip anyone off, just trying to make a living like everyone else in this world. It's not our fault import parts cost more than domestic junk.
Tony

KOTSEMOTO

I am Hondata dealer here in the Philippines. I could feel what you are talkin about. Not only us enthusiast are saving our incomes, lunch money or whatever just to buy that turbo that we need. I sell Hondata at list price. I cover the shipping and taxes for each ordered unit. Please take note that shipping is by air and 13,000 miles away. I do this so that I could fund my R&D in building cars and tuning. Now, I added an extra amount just to cover the labor, time, and correcting some other half assed conversions on some hondas.

Indeed, there are dealers that are just ripoffs. and there are some that sell at unbelievably low prices. I would always go to a reputable shop with a decent price and good customer service.

An example would be Geoff full-race. If only my needs are met, I'd buy from him(like A/C). I think his turbo kit is the only one advertised complete with turbo specs. He answered my queries even if I hadn't given a single cent yet. There are other shops like him. (Importbuuilders etc.) Geoff doesn't have the cheapest turbo kits around but i sure as hell can sleep better knowing what I bought.

Another example is this shop. They mention that they will give me the specs of a certain turbo that I will need upon order. Their one of the best but I wont spend money on buying something blindly.

Lastly, buying at very low prices(usually in a group buy) sometimes puts us at risk of getting duped and buying the wrong item. What I mean is sometimes we buy things because of the price. like buying 440cc injectors but you needed a bigger one. things like this make buying at cheap prices an expensive mistake.

my .02

Rory Breaker

Very well put.

falcongsr

there it is in black and white.

as a consumer i am torn cause there are some items i feel i dont need ANY service/support, and there are others i buy and it turns out i would have been better off buying it thru a retailer so i can bug them when i have problems with it.