Hey guys, DSM owner here. We're having a little "argument" with this guy over at dsmtalk.com. He seems like a troll, but I'm trying to get some real answers from people who actually know what they're talking about.

He says all it takes to run a Integra GSR into the 12's is a Drag3 turbo kit. That's it, nothing else. (no fuel mods, non-gutted interior, street tires, NO other mods period.) JUST the turbokit.

I find this very hard to believe, especially the street tires part with FWD. I know plenty of you have run that fast or much faster with the kit, but with other mods present as well. He keeps ignoring my posts for some reason and everytime he gets called out, his story changes a bit. So I guess I'll have to do the research myself. Thanks for the help guys.

-brian
'95 Talon TSi AWD
14.2 @ 96

 

Why not just write him off as a troll, like we will with you, and ignore him?

 

Maybe because it was discussed a few days ago.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=283112

Plus, it all depends on the driver and the conditions (altitude),etc.
Good luck.

 

Comon man (accord) the guy is asking a simple question we are all here to go fast no matter what manufacture one uses. With a drag 3 the right suspension and some slicks its possible but you would need at least some 310cc for insurance if high 12's is your goal. Higher compression setups respond better to boost than low comp. I have a 96 AWD Eagle with a big 16g 3in turbo back at 15psi and many other mods and Im happy with it... but with my civic on 15psi would come on boost faster and make more power (higher compression and better combustion characteristics) and be faster (weight is a big difference between Hondas and DSM's) with the same setup. Factory GSR comp ratio is 10-1 and 2g DSM is 8.5-1. So you will have a higher total cyl pressure with higher comp. From my experience Hondas and DSM's both make great power from FI... but for some reason it always seems that DSM take more boost to get the same numbers as Hondas with all things being equal with compressor sizing, intercooler, quality of tune etc... this leads back to compression and combustion characteristics.



[Modified by Dublocivic, 11:49 AM 9/19/2002]

 

I dont know if this is the conversation with Zero or not. But i love hondas, and like dsms. I wish our cars could hit 12's with just the drag3 turbo kit, but it is not that feasible. You will need to at least upgrade the fuel pump, fuel injectors, and get something to control the fuel(SMC, hondata, AEM, AFC-"hack", or another standalone"), boost controller, and maybe some engine work.
I wish we could hit 12s with just a kit, but it is not likely, but some people might have.

Just out of curosity, what does it take for a daily driven dsm to hit 12s, mods, and boost level? just for comparsion sake, not trying to flame or start a war.

-deepsi

 

DeepSi, thanks. Thats what I figured. Maybe someone has with just a drag3 kit, but I would consider that a rarity and not the norm.

Depends on what DSM. 1st gens have hit mid 12's with nothing more than a K&N, turboback exhaust and boost controller. That's more the rarity also though; usually need some bigger injectors and a pump with some tuning to be solidly in the 12s. 2Gs are much tougher because Mitsu decided to make them look pretty vs. being a better car, go figure. They have a shitty stock turbo compared with the 1Gs. Figure at least a turbo upgrade with supporting fuel mods and basics (intake, exhaust and boost controler). Obviously this is all for AWD cars.

Graphite, I suggest you pull your head out of your *** and actually learn what a troll is. It was a simple question, and I'm always curious to learn more about the competition out there, whether it be import, domestic, whatever.

 

Hey Bluntdogg, I'm not really looking but if you come across any AWD's for sale let me know because I may be interested. My friends tweeking his but it's FWD.

Maybe I'll check out the dsmtalk website.

 

So basically both hondas and dsms need better fuel injectors, fuel pump, exhaust, and some tuning and both can be "near" the same levels, once hondas have turbos of course. the only big differences between fwd dsms and hondas are, dsms can come with a stock turbo, ours dont but we can buy one. dsms have lower compression, we have higher compression. but to upgrade them we have to go the same path fuel, air and tuning.
this was kinda a useless point, but i just wanted to write it down for the future, unless somebody wants to correct me on this.
-deepsi

 

Yeah that's pretty much it for every turbocharged car. More fuel=more boost without running too lean and blowing things up. With the higher compression your engines are basically 'better' for doing all-motor applications (NT DSMs are dirt slow haha ). The lower compression of the 4g63 helps with running very high levels of boost, around 22+ before you need to consider going with forged internals. That's the tradeoff with you guys running lower boost but having better compression.

justagr, AWDs are becoming a pretty hot item. 1Gs are considerably harder to find, being 10 years old now, and the fact that something like only 5% of DSMs sold were the AWD models. Good luck finding one, if you do you won't be disappointed. DSMtalk is an ok site, it has it's fair share of morons just like any car group. Don't judge us by a few dipshits.

 

Although there are a few honda engines which come low compression....

The honda B20B is 8.8:1 stock, which is pretty close to a 95+ 4g63 at 8.5:1.

I own both cars....although my honda is much quicker then my 2g GSX. Both have their +'s and -'s. Simple mods make the GSX go very fast....but nothing drives like a honda.

liam

 

us either.

Yeah, a guy in town just bought one for about $800. I'm trying to see what year it is but it's awd. It needs a new turbo but he's already getting that. I'll have to check it out. thanks.