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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 01:33 PM
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And the rocker pads thank you for keeping them healthy.

Civickiller look at the NA curves, do you think 5200 would work for vtec.
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 02:10 PM
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I've read that vtec should engage right where hp crosses tq
that's where I put vtec on all the cars I've tuned

vtec engagement looks the same na and turbo
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by civickiller
I've read that vtec should engage right where hp crosses tq
that's where I put vtec on all the cars I've tuned

vtec engagement looks the same na and turbo
*facepalm*

No, no, no.

Whatever you have read, your information is false.
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 02:21 PM
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Or is it the tq crossing low vs high

I haven't tuned a car in years
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by civickiller
Or is it the tq crossing low vs high

I haven't tuned a car in years
thats pretty obvious.
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by civickiller
I haven't tuned a car in years
O Reery?


OP: 380+ on 11lbs on that set-up, thats awesome IMO.

Derrick: I made the same numbers (with a **** hair more trq) with 3-4lbs more. other than the .5 over bore and valvetrain. what else is factoring those numbers, or do those components make that much of a difference?
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by q16racer
thats pretty obvious.
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by A lil 2.3l action
what else is factoring those numbers, or do those components make that much of a difference?
I think this is a critical component that is often overlooked.

Originally Posted by mar778c
Block- B18C1, OEM gsr crank + rods, 81.5 mm RS machine pistons (PTW 0.002" for all cylinders), OEM main bearings (bearing clearance 0.0018" for all bearings), and ACL rod bearings (bearing clearance 0.0018" for all bearings)

Everything bolded plus a very good machinist.
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 04:12 PM
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I didnt think .5 over bore made that much of a difference.

now I know..
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by civickiller
I've read that vtec should engage right where hp crosses tq
that's where I put vtec on all the cars I've tuned
Wrut?

Originally Posted by SovXietday
Just out of curiosity, what's up with the dip in the torque? Must feel kind of weird to drive with that there, kind of like spooling twice lol. Is it from the cams?
Definitely from the cam setup. And it's only like a 4% drop in torque through that region. Hardly noticeable with a power-to-weight like that, especially in the lower gears where traction is more of an issue - hell, it'll be impossible to notice given wheel spin and where the trans will drop the RPM back to on shifts.

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your vtec should be set to 5250. That dip needs to be tuned out, afr or timing. Can rev alittle higher
I know it wasn't mentioned in the OP, but this is a stock rod setup. Yes, it CAN rev higher, but another 200-300 revs put more stress on the engine parts than keeping it lower and adding another 5-6 psi of boost most likely will. Gotta balance out torque and reliability.

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I've never tuned a car before.
Ya gat dat right. :p

And I look forward to seeing this again, Marcell. I will most likely be at the shop that day. You bringing the Wes-man again, too?
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by A lil 2.3l action
I didnt think .5 over bore made that much of a difference.

now I know..
No, you are missing what I have bolded. This is the key to taking average parts and making the perform better than average.
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 04:23 PM
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You bringing the Wes-man again, too?
For sure.
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 04:24 PM
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oooo I see, I tend to read over things...
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 06:13 PM
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Clearances mean a whole ton more then what people think.
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Honda Bull
Definitely from the cam setup. And it's only like a 4% drop in torque through that region. Hardly noticeable with a power-to-weight like that, especially in the lower gears where traction is more of an issue - hell, it'll be impossible to notice given wheel spin and where the trans will drop the RPM back to on shifts.
That's what I figured, it's just not something I've ever seen before. Was curious to see how it felt, the drop probably looks bigger on paper than it feels on the street.

Lookin good as always guys.
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Old Jun 8, 2011 | 03:17 AM
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Congrats Marcell!

I guess what we have all learned from the previous posts, is if you don't what you are talking about, keep your hands off the keyboard. Nothing kills a reputation more than assumptions and statements with no valid arguments.

Now lets get back to the awesomeness
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Old Jun 8, 2011 | 04:33 AM
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damn! Marcell, those are some banging numbers...makes me ponder a lil bit for what to do with my build...whenever thatll happen...lol
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Old Jun 8, 2011 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by mar778c
Everything bolded plus a very good machinist.
What did the spec sheet call for ptw? I'm assuming those RS pistons aren't made out of the same material most other aftermarket pistons are made from so they require less clearance?
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Old Jun 8, 2011 | 07:36 AM
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RS machine are cast pistons. So, I would think 0.0015", same as Honda.

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Old Jun 8, 2011 | 08:00 AM
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i want to have your babies.
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Old Jun 11, 2011 | 06:03 PM
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So what happened today good results???
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Old Jun 11, 2011 | 06:13 PM
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^^^I had a minor set back.

After getting everything set-up. The 1st few pulls looked very promising. It made more torque and built boost approximately 500 prm quicker using e85 at the same level of boost, 11.2 lbs. However, we could not go any further because the clutch was slipping. So, in a couple of weeks hopefully I will have this remedied and we can proceed with making more power.

Good news: the set-up and e85 will definitely make 450+ whp with maybe 3 to 4 lbs more boost.

Bad news: I have to get a new clutch to get done.

Also, my tuner (D-rob) will limit the set-up in terms of torque because the block is only using stock rods and cast pistons.
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Old Jun 11, 2011 | 06:20 PM
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nice man other then needing a new clutch lol. im suprised the one you had lasted. 450 will be perfect lol..
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Old Jun 12, 2011 | 06:17 AM
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awsome #'s for such a simple build.

Kinda crazy, bc I'm almost done making my own turbo kit for my 200hp 11:1 comp gsr motor with skunk2 tuner2 cams using a billet 6262. Can't wait to see how it compairs to your build.
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Old Jun 12, 2011 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 92cxturbo
awsome #'s for such a simple build.

Kinda crazy, bc I'm almost done making my own turbo kit for my 200hp 11:1 comp gsr motor with skunk2 tuner2 cams using a billet 6262. Can't wait to see how it compairs to your build.
That sounds like a helluva street build. Start a thread. I would definitely like to see how it turns out.
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