Yes. That is the easiest way. But even easier would have been to just keep my B1 in there or pay someone to do the work.

Anyways, a T25 off of an eagle talon would be too small right? I've heard mixed things about junkyard turbos all together and just as much discussion on this turbo.

I'm just lingering around the for sale forum and looking at turbos that come up.

 

Yes a T25 is a horrible idea.. Lurk on the used turbos carefully. If you don't know what you're looking for exactly, you'll get a bad one, or even worse, a terrible mismatch..

And no.. We can tell you what you need, but you must determine that understanding turbo sizes much better

 

Here are some photos I got of it. None of the hot side. I'm still trying to get information out of the guy about it but he is slow to reply.

 

Well it's definitely a t04e compressor side. You didn't post any hot side pics

 

Sorry, I don't know if I said it already but I don't have any shots of the hot side. He is being slow.

Thanks for that much information at least. Getting closer to knowing what this turbo is. Wish it was as easy as engines... just a giant stamp with it's name on it.

 

That's a standard cover.. On MANY Garrett turbos. The cover has to be removed to measure the exhaust wheel. Seller will need to measure what it is

 

Yea any wheel could be behind the compressor cover and the turbine housing. Without removing the housings and precisely measuring the wheels with a set of dial/digital calipers there's no way of telling you what it is

Ask the seller if it has a tag on the center section and if so what numbers/information is on it and ask for a picture

 

I got the number off the tag. The guy has been on vacation, which I knew, so I gave him time. Anyways, the part number is 466159-5003. Which from google is a "Dual ball bearing Garrett T3/T4E, T04E 57 trim compressor with 2.75" inlet and 2" outlet. Stage III turbine wheel with T31 4 bolt."

I'll have to grab some specs off of the garret website on this type of turbo.

 

Actually. that's just the 57 trim turbo. there's no designation for whether or not it is ball-bearing or not. Even if there are water fittings on the side of the cartridge, its not a full determination. those come standard with a .63A/R, unless changed.

 

Okay. The .57 trim t3/t4 will work for me personally. And it's at a pretty good price.

 

Just have an understanding with the seller that if the turbo arrives not as described/damaged or needs a rebuild or is in anyway defective/damaged that you are to be issued a full refund, no questions or bs and the seller is responsible for return shipping

 

Yup. I will post up some photos and maybe a video to make sure it's all good. I'll take the housing off and inspect it. Paypal is usually pretty good about forcing returns.

 

To a point. Lately PayPal has been letting the buyer keep the part and making the seller issue a full refund without letting them get there stuff back. They've had it up to there limit with scammers and dishonest sellers so they are teaching them all a few lessons

Just make sure the seller understands this so he doesn't act all surprised when you say you want a refund. Document it for PayPal as well so they know you gave the seller some terms of sale

 

Yup. Already have. He stated that it was in working order and condition has been discussed. I had an issue with paypal previously. It sucks to be the seller when you have dishonest buyers.

 

Lets all hope he's one of the honest few left

 

Well. Doesn't matter. I've been talking to him for 3 weeks and he sold it to a guy who asked him about it yesterday. Shucks. So I lost out on that possibility.

Anyways, I am off looking at turbos again.

According to the stats it seems like this may be too big of a turbo. But then again, here is what the grand master himself said:

Garrett GTX3071R
HP Rating
610HP
Compressor Wheel Info
Inducer: 54.1mm
Exducer: 71.4mm
Trim: 58 Trim
Compressor Housing Info
"Housing" - In/Out
S-Style - 4.0"/2.5"
Turbine Wheel Info
Weel Diameter: 60.0mm
Trim: 84 Trim
Turbine Housing Options
"Housing" - A/R
"T3 4-Bolt" - .63A/R

Also saw a Garret T04B35. Not sure how I feel about that. Haven't found a honda build that used that turbo.

Then comes another tubro, the T3 T04B 0.63 PRECISION GARRETT TURBO.

Precision T04B style compressor cover
3.0" inlet/2.0" outlet
T31, 76 trim turbine wheel
Turbine housing T3 .63 A/R with 5 bolt discharge
360° journal bearing
Inlet Diameter 2.875"
Outlet Diameter 2"
Compressor Wheel Diameter 54mm
Compressor Wheel Inducer 2.123
Compressor Wheel Exducer 3.00
Wheel Trim 50 Trim Compressor Cover
Inlet 3
Outlet size 2
Bearing System PTE Race 360 Center Section Turbine Housing
A/R Ratio 0.63
5 Bolt Turbine Housing Turbine Wheel Style
T31(Stage III) Turbine Wheel Inducer
2.559" Turbine Wheel Exducer
2.229" Turbine Wheel
Trim 76

A 76 trim is definitely big. But why is the HP rating so low? I'm looking for a Garrett turbo because I've always heard good things about them. Plus their prices and availability is a plus. I'm going to read more about the Garrett GTX3071R. I know it's not the disco potato but it looks like it could fit my 250~300 HP goals. With room to expand in the future.

Just a comment, but I really wish the T28 turbos supported more HP. I see them all over the place.

 

Thought I found a decent turbo, but most will probably shut it down. It's a Garrett GT2554R Turbocharger. It's basically a T28 that supports up to 270 HP according to garrett. Pretty sure it will reach max efficiency at 6500 RPM or something like that. Which isn't good for the 8200 red line B16A.

 

You have to remember that these ratings are based to the crank, not the wheels.

The GT2554R turbocharger is mainly used for small bike applications looking at only 160whp from say, 90whp. There's a reason why people are shutting it down. As one that's used them, no B16 will really use it. it'll putter out before 4000rpms at full throttle. Don't bother.

The GTX3071R is a great turbocharger to use, but its actually a little larger than what you need, even when you decide to "grow". Those are about 55lbs/min or so and more powerful than a GT3076R. For the smaller goal you're looking for, the GTX2876R would work well if staying in a T2 housing. For the T3 housing, stay simple with a GT3071R, but DO NOT get the one with the T04S cover with the 4"/2.5" Inlet/outlet. It changes the behaviour of the turbo completely. (Don't get into the logic as to why they offer it that way.. its the way they function).

I think the best turbochargers to use can be either ball-bearing or journal bearing in a Garrett-based system. I'd stay T3 because of the manifold choices that are available, though I would NOT use a 5-bolt Ford style housing, nor would I use a Cast manifold built specifically for the 5-bolt Ford style. It limits your housing sizes that you can use without having to do some modifications to your block to have them fit.

A lot of the best Garrett turbochargers are not on eBay and not on turbobygarrett.com. Those market only the GT(X)R series, which they feel is optimal, regardless of price point. But, you never stated whether or not you wanted steel-dual ball-bearing or journal bearing cartridge? that makes a difference in your decision making as well as your power level goals.

Whichever you decide, try not to wait and doudle around questions for 3 weeks over the turbo before showing interest. Make a decision, then just get it. .

 

Responses in Red

 

I upfront told they guy I'd buy it if he got me specs. I just needed the picture of the part number and I'd do the rest. But he dropped the price and someone else just bought it. Guess I could have taken a shot in the dark, but I really didn't want to. I know it was my fault for trying to be safe, but he could have actually gotten me some information in a couple days instead of a couple weeks.

Where do you recommend buying a turbo? You pretty much named where I've been looking. That a couple other turbo seller's webpages.

 

Ah.. There's the rub.. PM me..

 

The smallest turbo I'd run on a street b16 would be a gt28r (gt2560r) it's good enough for 330 crank hp

 

That's pretty much my HP range. I don't want to say I'm doing this for show. But my B16A has more than enough usable power for my daily commute. My D15 did too. That's why my goal is pretty low, 250-300 tops. I have no intentions of building the fastest civic or the most HP this or that. I just want to have fun and at the end of the day have something I can show to my friends and get a little wow factor going.

 

Honestly I didn't read most of the replies but I would just get a kit from Go-Autoworks. That way you know you're getting 100% new products from a trusted source that will work for your goals. It eliminates a lot of the guess work you're going through right now just to ID the turbo.

 

I wrote out this long explanation, but then I realized it was too much.

I don't want to buy a new kit. Go-autoworks is just like hmotors, a great website but the price is too high for me.

I will keep looking. And I will find what I want for a price I feel comforable with.