Hey guys. I found a possible turbo 'kit' that someone is selling. I'm a little unfimiliar with the power curve of the turbo itself.

Background of my motor: a barely built JDM B16A. I have low comp pistons, OEM head gasket and ARP head studs. Enough to run boost from what I've read.

Here is what he said about the turbo kit:
"BLOX MANIFOLD, TIAL WASTE GATE, TREADSTONE INTERCOOLER, GARRETT TURBO,GREDDY CATCH CAN, GREDDY TURBO TIMER, AEM FILTER, WALBRO 255 FUEL PUMP, ACCEL IGNITION COIL, M7 JAPAN HYPER SOUND BOV(BRAND NEW IN BOX),AUTO METER BOOST & OIL PRESSURE GAUGES AND PILLAR GAUGE POD"

It's a Garret 60 A/R from what I can see. Which one exactly, I'm unsure. Everything seems to be good quality product. I have a wideband I already plan on using. (AEM or Innovative. Both have good reviews)

I plan on making 250 whp. Probably using RC 750cc injectors. Would this turbo be too big for my HP goals? 300 HP is the most I would ever want out of this car. And what PSI do I need to push on a 60 A/R turbo to get to 250? If it's more than about 9~10 I know I'll need a new MAP sensor. Probably go for a 2.5 BAR.

Just want to get a discussion going on the turbo 'kit' I found someone selling. It looks like a good start for some pieces. Just questionining the turbo. And I guess I'll just do custom intercooler piping.

TL;DR

Is a 60 A/R Garret Turbo too big for a B16A that I want to get 250~300 (Absolute tops) HP out of?

Here are some photos I got of it. None of the hot side. I'm still trying to get information out of the guy about it but he is slow to reply.

 

you still have told us nothing about the turbo.

 

That's just the compressor cover of a general T04 turbo. That could be 50 combinations. Only way to know is to take the housings off and measure wheel inducer and exducers. Have the seller show them to you. If not, get everything but the manifold and turbo.. Those blox manifolds make other items fit like crap in most circumstances.

 

Well, aside from agreeing with you, that was a rather rude and useless post. I am going by the photos posted. It didn't have all the specs.

I'll see if he can get me more information. It was just a listing and didn't have all the specs included. I'll find out more and make a post. I've been researching garret's website and I know they sell several turbos that have the A/R 60 M24 on the side of the housing.

Are the blox manifolds that bad? I've always read mixed reviews on everything blox. Some people love the adjustable cats and others hate everything they make

 

Yes, the Blox is that bad. Pain the *** to work with. Garrett's site has very little other than promoting the GT-R ball-bearing and GTX series. It accounts for maybe 1% of the turbochargers in the journal bearing line that use that cover. If the seller isn't willing to remove those housings for you or doesn't know the specifications, walk away completely. don't buy it thinking you can run a salvage operation in "piece" parts.

 

Understandable. I am pretty sure the seller will dish out some more information if he actually wants to get rid of it quickly. It was just something I stumbled on.

The reason I asked about it was just a general this or that sort of thing. If turbos of this size are meant to put out 300-400 or 150-225, then it's not the turbo for me no matter what the actual size is. I have an ideal turbo charger picked out, but this is just something I'm looking at in case it's a good deal. I'll send him a message and see what the specs are.

 

I'm sure you do, but again, Those housings could mean they ALL go within that range you don't want. Remember, turbochargers can have a wide range of power levels based upon engine type and boost pressure levels. If you're getting really specific in terms of power level or use, then you need to state that specificity in your requests. But a .60 A/R housing is like saying you saw a car with 4 wheels riding down the street and want to know what what kind of car it is.

But don't assume anything from the seller. He may not know what it is either.. you don't know what the motives are.

 

Agreeable as always. Unfortunately, for myself, I tend to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

If I wanted to get really specific in terms of power level or use, I'd have to pull up power curve graphs, RPMs, max power, ect ect. And then choose a specific turbo for my build for my power goals that gives me the most power and the fastest response. BUT, I'm not really going to get that specific. I just don't want to slap an 83 trim turbo on my 1.6 L and get 550 WHP, but have essentially no useable power. I don't want the dyno queen. I want a peppy daily driver.

I still haven't heard a response from the guy, not surprising. Maybe he has a day job. But I'll update this shortly.

 

Well. TRIM has nothing to do about how big a turbo is. Its simply a mathematical equation that determines the distance between inducer and exducer. there are many instances in which the smaller trim would be for a larger turbocharger.

 

If you want a good turbo kit pm me
Peakboost ramhorn t3 mani
Tread stone intercooler
Tial BOV and waste gate
Downpipe(scuffed up)
And charge pipes
Lmk

 

Without pictures of the turbo we can't tell you ****

 

I couldn't resist.

 

I totally forgot it's more of a ratio and doesn't have to do with size. That was bad on my part. I sent him a message, he replied. He is going to take it apart and send me more pictures and the specs sometime today.

I sent you a PM. Shame it doesn't have a turbo in the turbo kit.

I don't fully grasp what you meant. But I'm not going to disagree with someone who is right. I'm working on the details. I want to boost my honda like everyone does. But I don't want to do it over again because this turbo was the wrong thing. Measure twice, cut once. Pretty much the same thing here. Think twice, buy once.

Thanks for the help everyone.

 

BY THE WAY! I love your signature. Found those threads ages ago. Very good write ups. Got them in my favorites. On the downside though, the images don't work for me anymore.

 

Hint. Copy an existing build part for part. The footwork has already been done for you. Stalk out the Markeplace for good deals and have patience. Don't buy anything when you don't know what it is.

 

That's pretty much what I've done. Except the build I 'stalked' just used a goautoworks kit. $2,000 brand new. Includes almost everything. I'd still need a new radiator, traction bar and injectors I believe.

I'm not buying the turbo unless I'm sure of what it is. Still waiting on more information. I'm definitely not in a rush. Took me a year to part together my swap after I purchased the motor and trans. I'm looking for a turbo and I'll work from there. Not in a big rush. Not even in a little rush actually.

 

Depending upon the Go-Autowerks kit you get, (entry level using the cast iron/steel manifolds), you may have to stick with turbochargers that use a 5 bolt Ford-style turbine housing.

 

Yes. And while that may be undesirable for some who plan on swapping out components, it's fine for me really. I'm just looking to piece something together myself and find deals on individual parts instead of paying more to get it all from one vendor.

 

Its not just about "swapping out" parts. Its more of interchangability should something go wrong. I understand what you're trying to do, but... Just preparing for the worst and hoping for the best.

 

Yeah. Very understandable. I'm still 'shopping' around.

 

That's more than fine.. but you'll need to make sure know about turbos and "turbo kits" enough to shop smartly. This is why the "kits" are a bit more expensive and come from one place; because of the fact that all the small nuances have been taken care of for you.

 

Want to buy or trade are also allowed.

 

I haven't heard back from this guy yet. But I may later today. I'll probably end up passing on this due to a lack of communication. But it was a decent 'looking' kit.

Yeah. That's my understanding also. You don't need adapter plates or special fittings. It's all engineered by the same company so that everything fits.

This is an attempt to get a larger post count?

QUESTION:

Is pgmfi.org the best place for 'grass root' tuning? Or is there another place I could go to and use a forum? The forum on pgmfi is very slow. Not a lot of people really respond on there some times.

 

I suggest you frequent the forum of the solution you go with.

 

Agreed!