SwedBoy2999

I’ve been planning to boost my car but I don't want to start buying the big stuff till the HT pro’s take a look at my planned setup, I’d really appreciate any and all feedback.

My car:
92 GS-R 139,000 very well maintained miles.
I’ll boost the B17 for a little bit (6 months) till my new motor is built in the mean time.
7psi tops, I’m not looking to blow anything up if possible. Fortunately this car is not a daily driver and mainly for HPDE days, and just cruising.

My Planned Setup:

Turbo:
PeakBoost Turbo Kit http://www.kteller.com/store/p...23d3e
W/ Garrett T3/TO4E turbocharger (57 Trim, .63 AR, Stage 3 wheel)
Tial 38mm wastegate
Tial 50mm blow off valve
2.5in IC piping
PeakBoost FMIC w/ core dim: 24"L x 6"H x 3.5"W
TurboXS High Performance Boost Controller (BC-HPBC)

Fuel System:
Crome is sounding better at this point. Hondata S200b maybe S300? It's only 100 more bones.
RC 750cc Saturated Injectors
Walbro Fuel Pump kit 90-93 Integra 255lph-HP

Motor/Exhaust:
Endyn breather kit (catch can)
Full-Race Honda B-Series ProStreet Adjustable Cam Gears
Victor X IM
Hondata IM gasket
KTeller 3" 90-93 Integra Stainless exhaust
KTeller 3" Test Pipe
3” resonator, maybe 2 and a strait through muffler

Gauges:
Defi Boost Gauge
Defi Oil Temp
Defi Oil Press.
Defi EGT
PLX M-250 Wideband

I already have:
Full-Race Traction Bar System
Del sol VTEC Half size dual core radiator
Moroso RR oil pan w/ oil return bung/ temp bung
ACT HD Clutch
Re located battery
JDM bumper support (more FMIC clearance)

Thanks for your help
~Eric



Modified by SwedBoy2999 at 2:49 PM 10/25/2005

sohc_turd

i'm no pro but it looks like money to me.... literally.


i would do the same if i had the dough.

edit: except for the fuel management.

SwedBoy2999

Well I'm trying to "do it right the first time" so to say. The AEM EMS is twice as much and my local tuner won't touch Uberdata or Chrome

On that note, Has anybody here had their car tuned at Carburetor Connection
http://www.carbconn.com/
I'm leaning towards them since they are only a few miles from my house, where as C-Speed is all the way in Bellingham.

B00STFREAKS

scrap out the 57trim for a 56trim SC61..

Other then that, Looks good.

SwedBoy2999

Yeah maybe in the future I'll get a different turbo, but this one comes with the kit and I've priced out everything if i would buy the kit or piece it together and it turned out to be cheaper to go with the kit.

But thanks for the Suggestion

SwedBoy2999

I hate to bump my own thread but if I don't this will fall to the depths of the nether world and become a pointless thread...

sohc_turd

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SwedBoy2999 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well I'm trying to "do it right the first time" so to say. The AEM EMS is twice as much and my local tuner won't touch Uberdata or Chrome

On that note, Has anybody here had their car tuned at Carburetor Connection
http://www.carbconn.com/
I'm leaning towards them since they are only a few miles from my house, where as C-Speed is all the way in Bellingham.</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you're gonna spend all that cash why not teach your self how to tune along the way. You'll be short change'in yourself if you completely rule out some of the rom editors. There are a **** load of people who tune Crome and Uber in seattle... contact "leed" from Homemadeturbo.com, he may also be on HT under the same screen name.

CarburetorConnection is probably the first place i would recommend people NOT to go to... especially when you got other very capable shops like intec.

SwedBoy2999

Really, well this is all good input. I just don't want to break something right off the bat when this is not cheap setup but on the same note it's nothing crazy.

Do you know if Intec tunes Crome? Answer: I called them and they tune Crome and prefer it over Hondata and with wideband tuning is $150 hour.
http://www.intecracing.com/

I'm willing to pay to have it tuned first of all, I'd love to learn to tune myself. For now i think this is a good option since it is a little easier and legal to tune on a dyno vs. street tuning.

bigdaddyvtec

Ya im in the same kinda boat...new to the whole thing... Ive got a t3 04e 50/57trim w LSD motorsport Stainless external gated mani and 2.5 "downpipe, tial 38mm WG, Tial BOV, AEM fuel rail/regulator custom IC and piping w RC550s and will be trusting my motor to neptune..F22b1 (SOHC vtec) accord. Shooting for 250 WHP (8-9psi) daily driven- and 12-13 (300 HP) for the weekends. I would go with either the s 300 (I contemplated it), or the Neptune setup (RTP is gonna be THE **** when it comes out)!!! Orrrrrrr...you can really find good deals on the s 200s now that the New Hondata monster is out!!!!

Have someone who KNOWS what they are doing tune it the first time, youll be glad you did (especially if you read some of the horror stories on this board).





Just my 2 cents from the great NW!!!

SwedBoy2999

I'm glad to hear input, but lets make sure this does not turn into another "my ems is better than yours" thread.

SiR Inspired ED7

iTrader: (1)

bump for a b17 owner,lucky... just cause i like my bros 93 gsr

SwedBoy2999

Yeah it's kind of funny, some people are like "man your lucky to find a DB2" and others are like "b17's are a weak *** motor." Since crower stopped making rods for them there is little to do with the stock bottom end in my opinion.

B20luda

i had my car tuned at carb connection...they didnt do a bad job?? i dont think Intec is any better...(and i even have a friend that works at intec) plus intec isnt a dealer of hondata and carb conn is?? Plus the guy that used to tune at carb conn isnt there anymore the owner tunes the cars...im ready for another tune with the turbo lude and will most likely go back there...plus carb conn is close to my work..

SwedBoy2999

If i may, what sort of setup did you have tuned at CC?

bigdaddyvtec

So i called intec today after reading more about crome... and they reccomend crome as well- although they do tune hondata as well,,, Its lots cheaper, and will do data logging, im thinkin about it... I too am interested in input from this thread as i am merely a sponge!!!

No my ems is better than your ems...its one of the last three pieces io am planning to aquire in the next week!!! So i am definately interested in any input on this thread as well

B20luda

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SwedBoy2999 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If i may, what sort of setup did you have tuned at CC?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Car is a 90 prelude converted to OBD1 b21a1 engine...
sleeved
forged pistons
crower rods...bla bla motor has been completly gone thru
water to air intercooler
T3/T67 turbo 70ar 63 trim 67mm compressor wheel volvo .63 exhuast housing
2.5 in DP 3in exhuast S200B at that time 450cc DSM's
external WG set to 11psi
i thought it would have made much more power than it did. But people are gettin 20whp NA from heavly ported intake manni's and bigger TB's so i think i will have good gains from an intake manni and TB. it made 238whp and 228wtq my IAT was around 160-170 (the water to air i had sucked) been changed now (JRC 8in) and im using s300 now with bigger injectors and a custom sheet metal intake manni and stock GSR TB the stock b21 is 55mm gsr 60mm

SwedBoy2999

1.Do I need a missing link with crome or hondata? If i do would it be better to just put in a 3 bar map sensor?

2. With my setup do you think it would be a good idea to get an FPR?

Thanks...
~Eric

sohc_turd

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B20luda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Car is a 90 prelude converted to OBD1 b21a1 engine...
sleeved
forged pistons
crower rods...bla bla motor has been completly gone thru
water to air intercooler
T3/T67 turbo 70ar 63 trim 67mm compressor wheel volvo .63 exhuast housing
2.5 in DP 3in exhuast S200B at that time 450cc DSM's
external WG set to 11psi
i thought it would have made much more power than it did. But people are gettin 20whp NA from heavly ported intake manni's and bigger TB's so i think i will have good gains from an intake manni and TB. it made 238whp and 228wtq my IAT was around 160-170 (the water to air i had sucked) been changed now (JRC 8in) and im using s300 now with bigger injectors and a custom sheet metal intake manni and stock GSR TB the stock b21 is 55mm gsr 60mm</TD></TR></TABLE>

238whp seems tad low even at 11psi.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SwedBoy2999 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1.Do I need a missing link with crome or hondata? If i do would it be better to just put in a 3 bar map sensor?

2. With my setup do you think it would be a good idea to get an FPR?

Thanks...
~Eric</TD></TR></TABLE>

1) No need for missing link.
The stock map sensor will run 11-12psi, 2.5 or 3 bar map sensor if you want to run more boost.
2)depends on your whp goals, injectors size, a/f target ect...
you could run large injectors and regular pressures.

TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boosted1g &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">scrap out the 57trim for a 56trim SC61..

Other then that, Looks good.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it.... He JUST said it was for cruisin and HPDE events. HPDE is not at ALL about power....

SwedBoy2999

Yeah, I'm not going to set a power goal since i don't want to be disappointed if i don't get it, then turn up the boost and blow things up. I have an extra B16 that i could build when i have the funds, but I'm not sure if it would be more worth it to just buy a B18c bottom end and build that. Really I'm mostly concerned about what i need to get this setup running on the B17 on low boost, but if it will save me money to buy some things now like the 750cc injectors now, that way I'll be able to use the same ones when i build the other motor later. The most power i ever want to see with a <U>built block and head</U> is 450whp. I don't care what i get on the B17 just as long as it's pretty reliable and stable for a 20-30 min session.

Again thanks for the feedback

sohc_turd

well... baby steps. I think a lot of people don't realize how much time, effort and money is required to make a daily driven 450-500whp car. I personally think 300-350 is more than enough for most people.

If you get the chance to drive a 300-350whp honda, do it.. and ask alot of questions about drivability on the street.

streetable HP takes a lot of $$ and time.

SwedBoy2999

Well like i previously stated this is <U>not ever</U> going to be a daily driver. Also i did explain that 450whp is with a fully built sleeved block. <U>Not the B17 I'm doing right now</U>. I just meant that some of the parts i buy now might be able to also be used for the higher boost build later, like the injectors. Since there is no way i would need 750cc injector for 7psi on that turbo, but it's cheaper to buy them now vs. buying smaller ones now and having to buy bigger ones later.

baby steps don't worry....

and trust me i realize how much money this hobby is, I'm just thankful i have a honda and not a bmw.

SwedBoy2999

Any more input?

sorry for bumping my own thread

turbotime

i got a built b17-T. Man they are fun engines, but they can be bitches to find certain things for.

Anyway, your list looks pretty good, i would also look into some sort of LSD system so you can put that power to the wheels!

Oh, and screw whatever engine your building, the b17 is way cooler than the b18s or b16s, everyone has those

SwedBoy2999

One problem, crower stopped making rods for them...
No rods, no built motor. Everything else can be found. If you wouldn't mind, could you post your setup, especially the block build.
Thanks
~Eric

Well i looked on the crower site sortly after writing this, and it does look like the still have them.

$711 bucks though....