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Old Nov 26, 2010 | 11:37 AM
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how did the headgasket look? perhaps its seal isnt the best, considering 3 and 4 are adjacent cyls...not a guarantee on anything, just food for thought
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Old Nov 26, 2010 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by projectTeG
im going to vote improper ring gaps. since its relative to only 2 cylinders. it could be piston to wall clearance, gap, improper ring seal causing oil to enter the chamber and drop the overall octane rating of the fuel in those 2 specific cylindersl.
i agree, don't trust the piston maker to set end gaps for you, every engine isn't exactly the same.
If you built it and don't know what, for example: ptw or rind end gap is set to, maybe someone else should build it.

haven't seen one measurement in this thread about your engine build.

oh and ditch the log.
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Old Nov 26, 2010 | 04:11 PM
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What are the ring gaps, pics of the cylinder wallas and tops, kinda like to see the dome on the head too, what headgasket is being used?

Im thinking a warped deck and/or head causing a bad gasket seal between cylinders? that would cause an instant dteonation crank ringslands real easy. crap nippons but alot of peopel have success with them. Ring gaps to tight but should show wear on the cylinder walls
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Old Nov 26, 2010 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiovnidca
I've seen this posted before and have always been curious how it works. My understanding is engine oil has a very, very high octane rating, higher than that of diesel. So how would a little oil mixed with the air/fuel charge lower it's octane? Now i can see if a large volume of oil was the issue, enough to effectively raise the engines compression ratio, but i imagine that would only be an issue on an engine with a very high compression ratio. It would likely also make it a rolling smoke bomb.
It's actually the exact opposite. Diesel has a very low octane rating, usually in the single digits to low double digit range. Motor oil is a lot lower than gasoline as far as octane rating goes but it is hard to find exact rating information since octane rating in a motor oil isn't relative to its intended use. Two stroke oil that gets mixed into gasoline or injected into the combustion process with gasoline will drop the octane rating of the fuel by 2 full points (91 becomes 89). There is a very small amount of gasoline that actually gets injected into a cylinder during combustion so it only takes a minute amount of blow-by to cause problems/detonation.
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Old Nov 26, 2010 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by xenocron
Nah, my first instinct is to get all of the facts...

I get two or three phone calls a day from people who have just been tuned by someone else with questions and I do my very best not to throw my comrades under the bus unless there is blatant irresponsibility, and even then...

Two weeks ago I retuned a full blown track car that someone else had tuned previously (and blown up)...I puked in my mouth a little when I saw the maps, but retuned the car and the customer told me he was happy. A week later I get an email from the customer asking me to write a letter indicating the old tune was crap and that I fixed it so he could dispute charges against his old tuner (who he said he went to for years)...I declined.

The tuner is always the last to get his hands on the car and the first to be blamed if a problem happens...I fight my *** off to always make the customer happy, I dont need to fight with other tuners on my abilities to map a car or their lack of abilities to do the same.

The customer is most important...
This should be stickied at the top of the forum.
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Old Nov 26, 2010 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 00Red_SiR
It's actually the exact opposite. Diesel has a very low octane rating, usually in the single digits to low double digit range. Motor oil is a lot lower than gasoline as far as octane rating goes but it is hard to find exact rating information since octane rating in a motor oil isn't relative to its intended use. Two stroke oil that gets mixed into gasoline or injected into the combustion process with gasoline will drop the octane rating of the fuel by 2 full points (91 becomes 89). There is a very small amount of gasoline that actually gets injected into a cylinder during combustion so it only takes a minute amount of blow-by to cause problems/detonation.

yes, im actually a diesel mechanic. diesel engines dont use the typical octane rating, they use cetane. since diesels work with much harder fuels to ignite(compression combustion) you can have a much cruder form of fuel, i.e. diesel or oil. a diesel engine will run strickly on oil alone, in these cases you get runaway or the term dieseling.
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Old Nov 26, 2010 | 08:09 PM
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yea one of your problems
ovaling walls
ring end gap
ptw
bad gas
not enuff gas
tuner
maybe its sleeved and ure doin to much boost idk whats the build n specs u or whoever built it to? ptw,ring gap .ect
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Old Nov 27, 2010 | 01:43 AM
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B18C8, Be quiet!!...it doesnt make any sense for you to keep saying the same thing page after page...

To the OP, I'd like to know the oil consumption your engine used, and did your engine ever overheat or have cooling issues? to me, I think you knew your engine had issues and in the meantime trying to diagnose/test it out, you blew it. there are just too many intricate things that go into engine building that if you dont know what your doing, you can cause yourself problems.

not saying you don't but whenever I build/rebuild, I have a machine shop check out all my parts...head, block, rods, pistons...etc to make sure I'm not adding any problems before I get it completely together. just a good rule of thumb when building. on engines your eyes are your worst enemy. a mm meaurement off in some cases can ruin engines.

good luck to you on your rebuild...keep us updated, and thanks Chris for all your years you've been in this community and G2IC helping us.
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Old Nov 27, 2010 | 01:43 AM
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Whatever you have for knock control isn't working or letting you know in time.
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Old Nov 27, 2010 | 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by John_at_J&S
Whatever you have for knock control isn't working or letting you know in time.
take this as you will, but i can't remember the last car i tuned that i enabled a knock sensor. ive got over 50 setups under my belt (ok its not much but this is just my hobby) and not one of them ever blew up because of a fuel or timing setting. as chris said, the tuner is last to get the car and first to be blamed. ive been brought some crap over the years and the net result is they dont run very well. ive also been brought some fresh stuff and they rip ***.



this thread is starting to become redundant, posts are either the same few possibilities of failure or people talking in broken internet english... op, rebuild this beast. also just popped into my mind but you can pick up an egt and put that in #3 runner to see if you are preigniting due to high cyl temps which would not necessarily be caused by tune, more of a driving habit
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