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i cant imagine the amount of pm's you get a day...lol

 

you have to understand, when comparing 2 great companies

its like comparing mercedes and bmw, both are high end cars, both have heated seats,both have this both have that.

BUT its the little things that set one company apart from another. even the smallest slightest change, or added features sets one car aside from the other.

and its the same here, the resoning behind higher prices from full race is they take out the stops and go the extra mile to make their kit once step ahead of the other.

robotic welding,backdoor intercooler,shorter piping route,2 intercooler piping,sch40 forged stainless steel,PWR intercooler core,great aluminum welding ect

^ those set full race apart from others, that is the reasoning behind the expendsive prices the little ''for the better'' changes they make, the R&D they have the expierence,the name,the quality....it all comes into play

 

while I agree with what you said, just like BMW and mercedes, you end up paying for the name also.

 

mercedes are made a lot better, but id still rather drive a bmw (peakboost)

 

well we have heard POV about Full Race but no POV as to why anyone thinks peakboost is better.

 

I am a bit biased on this subject, I will say that full-race has some quality parts. But as an example, I deal with ken at phoenix (peak) literally on a daily basis. PHX has THE BEST customer service i have ever dealt with, and he bends over backwards to make sure that the customers, and dealers are happy.

Full-Race just seems like is has turned into a trend now, more than a business in my eyes. Its hard to explain what I mean.. But everyone seems to have the "FULL-RACE or NOTHING" attitude these days. I see this as tunnel vision, no one gives other ppl the chance. This is coming from a person that had a 42R topmount kit on order from Full-Race, and once I dealt with Ken from Peak one time, I cancelled the order, and picked up the kit from Peakboost.

And to the comment about Full-Race using the sch40 piping, so does peak.. just to clear that up. I am in no way trying to start any wars or fights.. both companies make great stuff, just simply stating my opinions.

 

Both are Great. You wont be dissapointed with eithier one

 

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and full race does have the big name to back it up, but i don't think a name makes the quality, the quality makes the name, and so that's my take on FR </TD></TR></TABLE>

i agree. if you look at any "other manufacturer's" products you can see that they could not be sold as a full race product. small details like runner symmetry or the straightness of the welds are very important to those guys. also i believe the robot helped them bring down the cost of their products by reducing the man hours spent on each manifold. You get what you pay for, and with full race i know that there isn't a lot of mark up. their products cost them a lot, in materials and man hours. i am honestly amazed that anyone could sell tubular style manifolds for so much less than they do. They have to take short cuts somewhere. i am not biased towards full race, its just Geoff is the only person to ever take the time to explain to me what was involved with making their products. so as far as customer service is concerned i would have to say full race is the best at that too.

 

xbox360 or ps3 discuss the pros and cons my slaves.
search man

 

i wouldn't say peakboost has the best customer service or product. when i got my kit from them my intercooler pipings fit like ****. i had to go get it fixed locally, they did pay half but i think they should of paid for whole thing cause there pipings fit like ****.

they said it was a complete kit but didn't come with a transitional coupler. it also took about a month for them to pay there half.

would i buy from them again, nope
would i recommend them, nope

 

back to my mercedes vs bmw.

do you think someone said lets make a company and name it medcedes and charge alot ofmoney for just the name!?!? NO.

the quality of MEDCEDES made their name, not the other way around

so when you think of names in terms of quality, most if not all of the time, the quality made the name not the name made the quality

people ONLY buy quality becuase its quality, it just so happens their are names behind quality.

personally i would like to see someone create a company and JUST by their given name, make the quality. it is impossile to do. it always goes, quality/name never name then quality.

 

so they dont have good customer service because your piping fit wrong?

I can name a few times that i wasnt pleased with how long I had to wait for stuff from full-race, or the stuff that never showed up till I called them and "they forgot", but I am hardly going to say that they have HORRIBLE customer serivce... people make mistakes.

 

no, they have bad customer service because i have to call them 3 time to get my money and yes there pipings suck because they fit wrong.

as for full-race i dont care i have nothing to do with them

 

Ya but just with mercedes and BMW, their quality has gone down quite a bit but ppl still buy them for the prestige and name. You really can't deny that.

 

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true. but name drives price. you cant start off with some no name company and make the best product imaginable, and try to charge way more than market value. they start off small and then once they see that people want their products, they push their prices to see where the market demand falls off at.
i understand that the robotic tig welds are "better". but for everyone else who makes a manifold of comparable quality, they are charging nearly half of what full-race does. ive never seen any one crack a manifold running a peakboost or afi or jay or neukin or lovefab- either way, they all have lifetime warranty. i think the full-race ones just look a lot prettier when you see that stack of dimes.
as far as customer service, every company out there has left a bad taste in someones mouth so stop trying to bash the companies. there are companies on ebay with 100,000+ feedback but they have 1000+ negatives- it happens. both companies are good, so it really comes down to whether you want to pay the difference to be able to say that you have a "full-race" xxxxxxxx..

 

yes that is true very true.

however you know what i mean, names just dont make quality

and honestly, quality isnt a everyday thing, not every company is out to even make quality parts.

but someone has to, and quality comes at a price.

and that is why the ''Other'' companies are out there, to supply to the people who are looking for the part, but not looking for the high end quality price quality parts come with.

it just depends on how deep your pockets are, some people just buy quality parts and think nothing of it, price doesnt mean anything its irrellivant to the fact that if high performance quality parts are needed they are needed and if there isnt room so slouch on cheap parts there just isnt any room

on the other hand, if you are on a budget and cant afford a 1500.00 turbo or a 700.00 intercooler, or 1100.00 manifold, or 500.00 downpipe, or 900.00 intake manifold. its just not your scene.

but i think to compare companies and downgrade them because they are a step above the rest is just wrong its totally taking the hard work and effect they put into their products and stripping them of what they have worked for.

and honestly i dont personally think full race is out to make millions of dollars, most of their parts arent even mass produced, they are honest guys out in the seen trying to be as innovative as possible,

i would pay whatever for parts that i needed and quality that i wanted, thats just me

 

this may sound gay, but i think it deems a certain respect from people when you buy quality parts and you cna say i have a xx manifold or xx intercooler ect

it shows that you are true to not just a brand but a certain quality.

like i have a ebay intercooler

i have a PWR intercooler

maybe they both serve the same purpose, but one is going to be better than the other.

IMO This scene is about alot of sell outs. greddy,tial,turboxs,pwr,apexi,hks,

they ALL want to push products, but the fact that some turbos or manifolds are 1000 for a manifold and 2000 for a turbo, its just geared towards the person who can actually make use of the product, and have a taste for the nicer things.

you wouldnt have a skyline with turboxs turbos lol. that is why HKS gears their ''higher'' end products to the skyline beucase the owners want the best products for their projects

 

I understand what you are saying, but then again you are on HONDA-tech, where ppl mod their honda's b/c they can't afford something better 99% of the time. So trying to be elite b/c you bought a better product for your honda, make get you some respect from the rice, but will get laughed at by the turbod M3 if you get what Im saying.

 

If you can afford it Fullrace. I haven't always been a fan, but they have stood rock solid over the years. In this time more then a few supposedly great manifold makers have come and gone.

 

in this day and age, parts are nothing but bragging rights. if you can make 900whp with an ssac manifold and turboxs turbo, who gives a expletive as long as it works well and doesnt take a dump.
same thing with mercedes, like 80% of the people that drive a mercedes dont drive it because they want the piece of mind that they are driving a quality made car, they do it so they can say that they drive a mercedes. its the alpha male, and everyone has it in them at one point or another.
names and quality dont always go hand in hand, and price has nothing to do with quality a lot of the time. for instance bose, supposedly makes some of the best sounding speakers (well relatively, since rainbow makes speakers upwards of $250,000) but they use generic woofer cones. but my point is that, the difference between spending $250k on speakers and spending that $3k on your generic bose speakers, is so minute that you have to find some way to justify spending that extra $247k on these speakers to say that you have the best or because you like quality. peakboost, afi, neukin, lovefab, jay, rld, s-fab, spoolin- they all make good manifolds- you cant argue that because more people buy from them and continue to buy from them and recommend them and not just because of the price.
full-race probably is the best, but unless youre a whale; its not neccessary to spend that extra money on "full-race" brand, unless you want/need to say that you have the "very best" (speculation, not fact).

 

SSAC... ftw

jk

i like'm both

 

Full-Race is more geographically desirable for me so I choose them. .

 

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true. but name drives price. you cant start off with some no name company and make the best product imaginable, and try to charge way more than market value. </TD></TR></TABLE>

full race did.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BoostedJeff &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am a bit biased on this subject, I will say that full-race has some quality parts. But as an example, I deal with ken at phoenix (peak) literally on a daily basis. PHX has THE BEST customer service i have ever dealt with, and he bends over backwards to make sure that the customers, and dealers are happy.

Full-Race just seems like is has turned into a trend now, more than a business in my eyes. Its hard to explain what I mean.. But everyone seems to have the "FULL-RACE or NOTHING" attitude these days. I see this as tunnel vision, no one gives other ppl the chance. This is coming from a person that had a 42R topmount kit on order from Full-Race, and once I dealt with Ken from Peak one time, I cancelled the order, and picked up the kit from Peakboost.

And to the comment about Full-Race using the sch40 piping, so does peak.. just to clear that up. I am in no way trying to start any wars or fights.. both companies make great stuff, just simply stating my opinions. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Couldn't Agree More! Ken and Peakboost have the best customer service I've ever dealt with! And not to mention quality is top notch! Don't get me wrong, FR also has top quality parts. But I had the same problem Boosted Jeff did in the past. Both are great companies though!

 

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full-race was cheaper when they first started selling parts actually, prices have been on the incline son
but also, full-race wasnt a no name company. they started off building that black coupe i believe and started getting in magazines not too long after their company was established. magazine recognition made a world of difference when everyone saw that this guy had a streetable civic with 792whp using full-race: intake mani, cam gears, turbo manifold, intercooler, etc, full-race everything. to see that this civic was making that much power, everyone saw that and said i want my civic to do that- hence, ill buy full-race parts. then the premium started going up..