noob turbo question
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noob turbo question
I know there are a lot of things to know before one must go turbo. Well My question might seem stupid and prolly been discussed plenty of times but Here it is. I'm planning on getting an H series motor. H22a or H23a cant figure out which to go with. I'm planning on having a turbo kit installed on it .... something small, Maybe 6-8psi And to have an ability to push 10psi when on the track. I dont want to have anytyhing more than 10psi cuz I will be also spraying 55 shot regularly. Anything important I should know before I spend my hard earned money on turbo and H motor swap? I dont want to do any internal work. I just want to put in whatever the t-kit comes with, injectors, bigger fuel pump etc.... and I dont want to mess with pistons and rods ect... WOuld I be safe? Any precautions? ANy advice? I thank you all in advance and have a great holidays guys!
Re: noob turbo question (ZexyAccord)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZexyAccord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know there are a lot of things to know before one must go turbo. Well My question might seem stupid and prolly been discussed plenty of times but Here it is. I'm planning on getting an H series motor. H22a or H23a cant figure out which to go with. I'm planning on having a turbo kit installed on it .... something small, Maybe 6-8psi And to have an ability to push 10psi when on the track. I dont want to have anytyhing more than 10psi cuz I will be also spraying 55 shot regularly. Anything important I should know before I spend my hard earned money on turbo and H motor swap? I dont want to do any internal work. I just want to put in whatever the t-kit comes with, injectors, bigger fuel pump etc.... and I dont want to mess with pistons and rods ect... WOuld I be safe? Any precautions? ANy advice? I thank you all in advance and have a great holidays guys!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well. One thing about it, either of these H-Series applications, even with the correct turbo application, don't generally take to boost very well with the stock sleeves or rods, which are generally the weak link within the system. The upper limit w/ a T3/To4E hybrid turbocharger or even a TD05H-18G is about 8 psi. So, unless you were a great tuner, you would barely be at 9spi, much less spray the block w/ ANY shot of Nitrous regardless of pill size. The bolt-on turbo kits that are available on the market (not counting that HMT stuff) would allow the 7-8psi limit, and get you around 270-280whp, assuming good exhaust flow, intercooling, and reliable engine managment that a dyno tuner would find appropriate, and not a system that is validated simply because it is inexpensive.
First you need to find out what your budget, power goals, and use of the vehicle are before deciding to go with 2 power adders. You may only need the one. It would not be prudent to use the spray "just because you have it", if the turbo solution you use will more than suffice IMHO. For best results, plan on upgrading injectors to about 550cc w/ OBD1 Injector clips for ease of installation. This is a standard approach to the H22/H23, but not the only approach when it comes to injector control.
As for particular engine management, look at options based upon what fits YOUR needs best, and not just economic costs. Your tuner in your area (hopefully) may also have his/her recommendations, so take them into account as well as what works for YOU. If the tuner is worth their metal, they should know how to get the best results regardless.
When I've put together a lot of the H22/H23 setups, I've always found that w/ the 97-01 chassis w/ A/C, a 90 degree elbow on the turbocharger would be needed for ease of fitment and ease of use. Concentrate on quality products and Keep It Simple. Remember, if it sounds to cheap to be worth the trouble, it is... There's just a few lucky ones out there that haven't experienced the pain yet, or have the ability to deal with it..
Hope this helps as a start..
Well. One thing about it, either of these H-Series applications, even with the correct turbo application, don't generally take to boost very well with the stock sleeves or rods, which are generally the weak link within the system. The upper limit w/ a T3/To4E hybrid turbocharger or even a TD05H-18G is about 8 psi. So, unless you were a great tuner, you would barely be at 9spi, much less spray the block w/ ANY shot of Nitrous regardless of pill size. The bolt-on turbo kits that are available on the market (not counting that HMT stuff) would allow the 7-8psi limit, and get you around 270-280whp, assuming good exhaust flow, intercooling, and reliable engine managment that a dyno tuner would find appropriate, and not a system that is validated simply because it is inexpensive.
First you need to find out what your budget, power goals, and use of the vehicle are before deciding to go with 2 power adders. You may only need the one. It would not be prudent to use the spray "just because you have it", if the turbo solution you use will more than suffice IMHO. For best results, plan on upgrading injectors to about 550cc w/ OBD1 Injector clips for ease of installation. This is a standard approach to the H22/H23, but not the only approach when it comes to injector control.
As for particular engine management, look at options based upon what fits YOUR needs best, and not just economic costs. Your tuner in your area (hopefully) may also have his/her recommendations, so take them into account as well as what works for YOU. If the tuner is worth their metal, they should know how to get the best results regardless.
When I've put together a lot of the H22/H23 setups, I've always found that w/ the 97-01 chassis w/ A/C, a 90 degree elbow on the turbocharger would be needed for ease of fitment and ease of use. Concentrate on quality products and Keep It Simple. Remember, if it sounds to cheap to be worth the trouble, it is... There's just a few lucky ones out there that haven't experienced the pain yet, or have the ability to deal with it..
Hope this helps as a start..
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Yeah you need to know that H22 sleeves are weak just like the b20b or z.The material they are made of is weak.Along with the big bored long stroke thrust loading on the cylinder side walls.The ls has alot of thrust loading on the side walls cause of the stroke but it can take it because its made of stronger material.
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So what would it cost to have stronger sleeves and rods installed on an H series motor at a perfomance shop. Just a ball park number? Also... When I read many articles on turbos most of them say that as long as you stay below 7psi on any motor, whether its F, H or B series you shoould be safe, even for a daily driver?
Also I heard things like Vtec and turbo/nos is a bad combo, in this case H23 long block would be better right? since it has no vtek but its still a DOHC?
Also I heard things like Vtec and turbo/nos is a bad combo, in this case H23 long block would be better right? since it has no vtek but its still a DOHC?
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