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03-07-2007, 03:37 PM
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Re: (Tony the Tiger)
sorry, im not rich . this intercooler will do. and it doesn't leak and flows descent. Will you make me a intercooler thats nice for under 300 tony1? didn't think so. both of you get off your high horse and have some love for the not so rich people on here k? thanks, have a nice day.
03-07-2007, 04:28 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You have a garrett GT ball bearing turbo, don't act like your broke and can't afford to get decent parts...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Agreed
Agreed
03-07-2007, 06:51 PM
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I don't have unlimited cash flow, the money i have left i need to spend on having my motor assembled and buying bearings,gaskets,oil,water pump
03-07-2007, 06:52 PM
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And tony if you knew the price i payed for the turbo you would cry. 
im not spending anymore money then a have to now. The intercooler will be fine.
im not spending anymore money then a have to now. The intercooler will be fine.
03-07-2007, 07:16 PM
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that intercoller wont flow enough for 400
i bought one and i made 333wh and hit a brick wall kept dropping pressure in high rpms i got a precision 600hp ic and boom 400+
i bought one and i made 333wh and hit a brick wall kept dropping pressure in high rpms i got a precision 600hp ic and boom 400+
03-07-2007, 07:21 PM
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Re: (THEDirtyDseriesWOOT)
Look at it this way... at least its not an ebay TURBO and MANIFOLD with a precision fmic.
But as a wise man once said, picking the lesser of two evils is still picking evil.
But as a wise man once said, picking the lesser of two evils is still picking evil.
03-07-2007, 07:25 PM
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ahhh whatever, itl be fine, got a garrett bb turbo. tial 44mm, precision 1000cc, sleeved block,forged internals,type r head, JG fab topmount and plenty other fun things. i think shel do what i need her to do.
03-08-2007, 05:16 AM
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I did a test last night, EP hatch with a K20A2, GT30R, on E85. Previously we made 423whp at 19psi, stock motor. Ebay intercooler, ~24x8x3ish. Put on a PWR vertical flow intercooler (from a full race RSX turbo kit) and made 442whp at 17psi. At 17psi with the ebay intercooler it made 387. At wg pressure (10psi), it made 25 more hp.
Intercoolers don't matter....
Intercoolers don't matter....
03-08-2007, 05:33 AM
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I've seen Tony 1 bashing these cheap intercoolers for a while now. He has finally done some testing to back it up, and even though they do work, I am sold on the fact that they are just not as efficient as something name brand. I'm in the same boat as the OP, I have bought the best of everything else and might as well suck it up and drop 6 bills on something worthy of the rest of my setup. Thanks for the research Tony. 
03-08-2007, 05:34 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I did a test last night, EP hatch with a K20A2, GT30R, on E85. Previously we made 423whp at 19psi, stock motor. Ebay intercooler, ~24x8x3ish. Put on a PWR vertical flow intercooler (from a full race RSX turbo kit) and made 442whp at 17psi. At 17psi with the ebay intercooler it made 387. At wg pressure (10psi), it made 25 more hp.
Intercoolers don't matter.... </TD></TR></TABLE>
cummon tony we all know better...you can compare apples to oranges...vert flow will have less core length (form in to out) and cool the charge better to begin w/...vs the longer straight thru flow where the charge is gradually losing heat across the length of the intercooler and when its reached it lowest temps possible...the rest of the length is just contributing to more restriction...
but i do concur intercoolers do make a difference...whether its has the same benefit/cost ratio as upgrading a turbo or other parts of their setups is debateable...but to each their own
Intercoolers don't matter....
</TD></TR></TABLE>cummon tony we all know better...you can compare apples to oranges...vert flow will have less core length (form in to out) and cool the charge better to begin w/...vs the longer straight thru flow where the charge is gradually losing heat across the length of the intercooler and when its reached it lowest temps possible...the rest of the length is just contributing to more restriction...
but i do concur intercoolers do make a difference...whether its has the same benefit/cost ratio as upgrading a turbo or other parts of their setups is debateable...but to each their own
03-08-2007, 05:34 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I did a test last night, EP hatch with a K20A2, GT30R, on E85. Previously we made 423whp at 19psi, stock motor. Ebay intercooler, ~24x8x3ish. Put on a PWR vertical flow intercooler (from a full race RSX turbo kit) and made 442whp at 17psi. At 17psi with the ebay intercooler it made 387. At wg pressure (10psi), it made 25 more hp.
Intercoolers don't matter.... </TD></TR></TABLE>
Post these dynos please.
Intercoolers don't matter....
</TD></TR></TABLE>Post these dynos please.
03-08-2007, 05:35 AM
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Yup, if you're in the 250-300 range, 25hp isn't the end of the world. In this particular situation, at 17psi it picked up almost 60whp!
03-08-2007, 05:51 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drumking15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
cummon tony we all know better...you can compare apples to oranges...vert flow will have less core length (form in to out) and cool the charge better to begin w/...vs the longer straight thru flow where the charge is gradually losing heat across the length of the intercooler and when its reached it lowest temps possible...the rest of the length is just contributing to more restriction...
but i do concur intercoolers do make a difference...whether its has the same benefit/cost ratio as upgrading a turbo or other parts of their setups is debateable...but to each their own </TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree, vertical flow intercoolers are generally better in that aspect, but i guarantee you would not see these results over a garrett horizontal flow core.
The inside of the ebay intercoolers is a joke man, look inside them and compare them to a good core. It can't be surprising that there's a significant difference in power. lol
It's not all about being big and shiny...
cummon tony we all know better...you can compare apples to oranges...vert flow will have less core length (form in to out) and cool the charge better to begin w/...vs the longer straight thru flow where the charge is gradually losing heat across the length of the intercooler and when its reached it lowest temps possible...the rest of the length is just contributing to more restriction...
but i do concur intercoolers do make a difference...whether its has the same benefit/cost ratio as upgrading a turbo or other parts of their setups is debateable...but to each their own
</TD></TR></TABLE>I agree, vertical flow intercoolers are generally better in that aspect, but i guarantee you would not see these results over a garrett horizontal flow core.
The inside of the ebay intercoolers is a joke man, look inside them and compare them to a good core. It can't be surprising that there's a significant difference in power. lol
It's not all about being big and shiny...
03-08-2007, 11:16 AM
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"Intercoolers don't matter...."
Never said they didn't matter..
And i think we all agree that a ebay intercooler won't flow as well as a quality intercooler. But the fact of the matter is, is it will do what i need it to do just fine. And if im happy then what does it matter?
Also you can't compare a horizontal intercooler to a vertical intercooler. Obviously there will be differences, its two different types of intercoolers.
And noone said it was about being big and shiny as well.
Never said they didn't matter..
And i think we all agree that a ebay intercooler won't flow as well as a quality intercooler. But the fact of the matter is, is it will do what i need it to do just fine. And if im happy then what does it matter?
Also you can't compare a horizontal intercooler to a vertical intercooler. Obviously there will be differences, its two different types of intercoolers.
And noone said it was about being big and shiny as well.
03-08-2007, 11:21 AM
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It's all good man, i didn't mean for this to turn into this. I was just commenting on the fact that you purchased a lot of good, high quality parts, and an ebay intercooler.
As far as "it'll do what you need it to do just fine", if you want, we can talk about why you believe that, or we can just leave it be. Good luck with your project.
As far as "it'll do what you need it to do just fine", if you want, we can talk about why you believe that, or we can just leave it be. Good luck with your project.
03-08-2007, 11:36 AM
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PWR and Garrett are both very good cores, two of the best in my opinion. The bar and plate vs. tube and fin deal doesn't really get you anywhere. In general, they each have their pros and cons, but it doesn't stand much ground because a tube and fin PWR will perform better than a bar and plate Yonaka, and a cheap tube and fin will not perform as good as a bar and plate Garrett. There's a lot going on with intercoolers. Stick with a big name brand and you know that the details have not been over looked. If you get a chance, look inside your core and compare it to the inside of a Garrett core.