My turbo build (from Bahrain)
05-03-2008, 04:41 AM
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My turbo build (from Bahrain) [B]updated with new time[/B]
Helo guys,
I managed yestarday night the best time till now on 24psi (track tune) on same setup:
10.73 @ 212kph
I just want to share with you guys my build and get some comments, the space are as follow:
B20 block stock sleeves
eagle rod
cp 9.7cr pistons
Golden eagle block guard
Ported b16 head
type R dual v.spring & alloy retainer
gsr cams
AEBS intake
power TB 68mm
denso 720cc injuctors
aeromotive regulator
bored oem fuel rail & modefied the end to -6 an.
walbro 255lph
SC61
ebay cast manifold
tail 38mm gate
greddy RS blowvalve
3" intercooler piping
3" exhaust.
The engine built by my bruther & the car tuned with crome pro By me.
the no. is:
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so, what you think guys?
I will add some pic's to night.
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Modified by harhoosh at 11:39 AM 5/7/2008
Modified by harhoosh at 1:07 PM 6/6/2008
Modified by harhoosh at 2:23 PM 6/16/2008
I managed yestarday night the best time till now on 24psi (track tune) on same setup:
10.73 @ 212kph
I just want to share with you guys my build and get some comments, the space are as follow:
B20 block stock sleeves
eagle rod
cp 9.7cr pistons
Golden eagle block guard
Ported b16 head
type R dual v.spring & alloy retainer
gsr cams
AEBS intake
power TB 68mm
denso 720cc injuctors
aeromotive regulator
bored oem fuel rail & modefied the end to -6 an.
walbro 255lph
SC61
ebay cast manifold
tail 38mm gate
greddy RS blowvalve
3" intercooler piping
3" exhaust.
The engine built by my bruther & the car tuned with crome pro By me.
the no. is:
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[/IMG]so, what you think guys?
I will add some pic's to night.
Added Pic's
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honda civic 1977 (my frind car):
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Modified by harhoosh at 1:07 PM 6/6/2008
Modified by harhoosh at 2:23 PM 6/16/2008
05-03-2008, 04:57 AM
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Re: My turbo build (harhoosh)
there's something funky going on at the top of the powerband there...maybe a weird timing or fueling thing, or it almost looks like the turbo runs out of breath......which an sc61 shouldn't.
05-03-2008, 05:20 AM
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Re: My turbo build (chimmike)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chimmike »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there's something funky going on at the top of the powerband there...maybe a weird timing or fueling thing, or it almost looks like the turbo runs out of breath......which an sc61 shouldn't.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It doesnt look 'weird', you do know that the torque is measured by the legend on the right and horsepower on the left, with this dyno plot they are not equivalent numbers.
To The OP, what boost level is this @ ( your sig says .9 bar [~13psi], that correct?) and what gas are you running? (do they have 93 there?).. You're HP does seem a little low compared to you Torque #, do you have pics of this ebay manifold?
It doesnt look 'weird', you do know that the torque is measured by the legend on the right and horsepower on the left, with this dyno plot they are not equivalent numbers.
To The OP, what boost level is this @ ( your sig says .9 bar [~13psi], that correct?) and what gas are you running? (do they have 93 there?).. You're HP does seem a little low compared to you Torque #, do you have pics of this ebay manifold?
05-03-2008, 10:56 AM
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Re: My turbo build (JoePSI)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JoePSI »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
To The OP, what boost level is this @ ( your sig says .9 bar [~13psi], that correct?) and what gas are you running? (do they have 93 there?).. You're HP does seem a little low compared to you Torque #, do you have pics of this ebay manifold?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The boost is 13 psi and it creep 14.1 & fall down again to 13.5
out there, we have only 89 octain
and the manifold look like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ZWDVW
To The OP, what boost level is this @ ( your sig says .9 bar [~13psi], that correct?) and what gas are you running? (do they have 93 there?).. You're HP does seem a little low compared to you Torque #, do you have pics of this ebay manifold?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The boost is 13 psi and it creep 14.1 & fall down again to 13.5
out there, we have only 89 octain
and the manifold look like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ZWDVW
05-03-2008, 11:49 AM
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Re: My turbo build (harhoosh)
that explains the flat spot, the boost falling to 13psi.
If you can, secure yourself a good quality boost controller.
Also, if you're limited to lower octane fuel (I think your fuel is MON, right? Not sure) try some methanol or water injection.
If you can, secure yourself a good quality boost controller.
Also, if you're limited to lower octane fuel (I think your fuel is MON, right? Not sure) try some methanol or water injection.
05-05-2008, 04:09 PM
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Re: My turbo build (harhoosh)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by harhoosh »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The boost is 13 psi and it creep 14.1 & fall down again to 13.5
out there, we have only 89 octain
and the manifold look like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ZWDVW</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok, that makes sense. The boost fluctuation may not be a boost controller issue, but I would bet it is that manifold. The wastegate is only relieving the pressure of one cylinder's exhaust gases. But honestly 1psi of fluctuation is not bad at all.
89 Octane, that sucks man, and no e85?.
The boost is 13 psi and it creep 14.1 & fall down again to 13.5
out there, we have only 89 octain
and the manifold look like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ZWDVW</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok, that makes sense. The boost fluctuation may not be a boost controller issue, but I would bet it is that manifold. The wastegate is only relieving the pressure of one cylinder's exhaust gases. But honestly 1psi of fluctuation is not bad at all.
89 Octane, that sucks man, and no e85?.
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Re: My turbo build (JoePSI)
I hope that we have E85, that would be nice 
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and the racing fuel here are to $$$$ (1 us galon = $17
).
.and the racing fuel here are to $$$$ (1 us galon = $17
).
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Re: My turbo build (harhoosh)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by harhoosh »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hope that we have E85, that would be nice .
and the racing fuel here are to $$$$ (1 us galon = $17 ).</TD></TR></TABLE>
Bro, you can get 95 across the border
.and the racing fuel here are to $$$$ (1 us galon = $17
).</TD></TR></TABLE>Bro, you can get 95 across the border
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Re: My turbo build (JoePSI)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JoePSI »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
89 Octane, that sucks man, and no e85?.</TD></TR></TABLE>
dude, do you think they would have E85 in Bahrain? Honestly. Think about it. E85=ethanol. In a country that gets fairly rich off oil, why would they have an alternative fuel made of CORN?
Also, get a concept about fuel octane ratings. Japanese and most Asian fuels are rated by RON. US fuel is rated Ron+Mon/2. So, his 89 may be Mon, which would probably be the equivalent of our 91 or 93, whereas RON's 98 is equivalent to our 93.
89 Octane, that sucks man, and no e85?.</TD></TR></TABLE>
dude, do you think they would have E85 in Bahrain? Honestly. Think about it. E85=ethanol. In a country that gets fairly rich off oil, why would they have an alternative fuel made of CORN?
Also, get a concept about fuel octane ratings. Japanese and most Asian fuels are rated by RON. US fuel is rated Ron+Mon/2. So, his 89 may be Mon, which would probably be the equivalent of our 91 or 93, whereas RON's 98 is equivalent to our 93.
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Re: My turbo build (chimmike)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chimmike »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
dude, do you think they would have E85 in Bahrain? Honestly. Think about it. E85=ethanol. In a country that gets fairly rich off oil, why would they have an alternative fuel made of CORN?
Also, get a concept about fuel octane ratings. Japanese and most Asian fuels are rated by RON. US fuel is rated Ron+Mon/2. So, his 89 may be Mon, which would probably be the equivalent of our 91 or 93, whereas RON's 98 is equivalent to our 93.
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You're right. I heard someone saying the 95 we have is quivalent to 91 in the US.
dude, do you think they would have E85 in Bahrain? Honestly. Think about it. E85=ethanol. In a country that gets fairly rich off oil, why would they have an alternative fuel made of CORN?
Also, get a concept about fuel octane ratings. Japanese and most Asian fuels are rated by RON. US fuel is rated Ron+Mon/2. So, his 89 may be Mon, which would probably be the equivalent of our 91 or 93, whereas RON's 98 is equivalent to our 93.
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You're right. I heard someone saying the 95 we have is quivalent to 91 in the US.
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Re: My turbo build (aladdin)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by aladdin »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Bro, you can get 95 across the border </TD></TR></TABLE>
our RON's 95 is equivalent to 89
Bro, you can get 95 across the border
</TD></TR></TABLE>our RON's 95 is equivalent to 89
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Re: My turbo build (harhoosh)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by harhoosh »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
our RON's 95 is equivalent to 89 </TD></TR></TABLE>
ouch! that sucks!
our RON's 95 is equivalent to 89
</TD></TR></TABLE>ouch! that sucks!
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Re: My turbo build (chimmike)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chimmike »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
ouch! that sucks!</TD></TR></TABLE>
do you think i can get more power from this engine?
ouch! that sucks!</TD></TR></TABLE>
do you think i can get more power from this engine?
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Re: My turbo build (harhoosh)
your powerband is flat up top so I know you can get more....something's up with the tuning up top there, the hp should climb until redline, not flatten out a thousand or two thousand rpm before redline.
With smart tuning, you can definitely get more power.
For a simple solution, look into getting a water injection kit, you can run more boost with water injection.
With smart tuning, you can definitely get more power.
For a simple solution, look into getting a water injection kit, you can run more boost with water injection.
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Re: My turbo build (chimmike)
Actually, i tried to add some timming up top (from 6500rpm to 9000 rpm) but my timming graph seems weried in that run, i lost 2 hp and about 5 lbs of torqe. so, i removed the timming i added.
My afr was 11.3 to 11.6 in boost and my total timming is around 15 degree.
for the alcohol/water injuction, i dont want to use it cuz it's un-legal in our country, and i dont want to go more boost cuz i know i can get atleast 20 to 30 hp from that boost level.
any way, thanks for your help.
My afr was 11.3 to 11.6 in boost and my total timming is around 15 degree.
for the alcohol/water injuction, i dont want to use it cuz it's un-legal in our country, and i dont want to go more boost cuz i know i can get atleast 20 to 30 hp from that boost level.
any way, thanks for your help.
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Re: My turbo build (chimmike)
actually, my houal setup is illegal , but i am trying to find way befor smog (passing).
In my country, if police catch your car with nitros you will go to gail
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, but i am trying to find way befor smog (passing).In my country, if police catch your car with nitros you will go to gail
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my frind had an accedend, the police man found a nitros bottle on his hatch. so, he wnt to Jail for two month .
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when you are crousing for one hour, you will see atleast 5 to 6 police cars and all of them they will stop & check you. you know why, cuz you have honda with chrome muffler .
that why, i am using my car in week end only and for 2 to 3 hours only, and i am trying to avoid them.
.that why, i am using my car in week end only and for 2 to 3 hours only, and i am trying to avoid them.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by harhoosh »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when you are crousing for one hour, you will see atleast 5 to 6 police cars and all of them they will stop & check you. you know why, cuz you have honda with chrome muffler .
that why, i am using my car in week end only and for 2 to 3 hours only, and i am trying to avoid them. </TD></TR></TABLE>
After reading this thread all I can picture is Mad Max driving a Honda.
.that why, i am using my car in week end only and for 2 to 3 hours only, and i am trying to avoid them. </TD></TR></TABLE>
After reading this thread all I can picture is Mad Max driving a Honda.