SEFIxCivic

type r or b16a gears are my pick. that and a 24 inch tire if you're making 400 or so. 25 inch tire for 500 and up.

reynosop

how about if you had a hoda with a bore size 84, crank size 95mm, ? just like this topic here.
which tranny would be suitable to use

LS tranny or a ITR

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1138798

DaX

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Slick size does have a huge role to play, and a typical 24.5" slick growing to 25 inches nets you over 150 MPH in fourth, and an akward 123 MPH in third.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I love my 24.5's.

hondahatch741

it seems like your sayin short gears are good for accelaration and 1/4 mile racing.. but what about my case im building a turbo ls in a eg hatch with a ls tranny.. i mainly street race and i wanna be kind of fast top end . should i keep the ls tranny or get the b16

95GSRTT

If you wanna be fast on the top end, you still want shorter gears. The only problem is that with like a b16 tranny on the street you will probably top out around 120 in 4th. You will want to get a shorter final drive, or you can get the GSR or LS tranny and Shorter Final Drive.

An LS Tranny + 4.40 Final Drive is essentially a GSR 1-2, and a faster accelerating 3-5th. For a Daily Driver and good acceleration, I think that is the best way to go. But thats just my opinion

Jwbetley

Mainly on the street. That makes it a daily driver... GO gsr trans. its optimal for all applications

DaX

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondahatch741 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it seems like your sayin short gears are good for accelaration and 1/4 mile racing.. but what about my case im building a turbo ls in a eg hatch with a ls tranny.. i mainly street race and i wanna be kind of fast top end . should i keep the ls tranny or get the b16</TD></TR></TABLE>

Define fast...

If you want mad top speed y0, go with the LS tranny. Longer gears = higher top speed.

If you want to accelerate faster and don't mind compromising your top speed some [who needs to go 165 mph on the street anyhow?], then you'll want a tranny with shorter gearing.

Straight line races are won by cars that accelerate....on the track or off.

Jwbetley

lets see how much more we can beat this threat to death.

tony n.

im probably gonna get close to 300whp on my stock b16a with lstranny people told me i will get better traction with the ls tranny

turboEGhatch

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Those people are idiots

I could break the tires loose just as easily with an LS or GSR tranny in first and second @ 300 WHP, but once you hit third and fourth with the GSR it would drop the LS like a bad habbit.

beerbongskickass

With an 8k redline and a 23 inch tall tire a b16/itr tranny will get you 150mph... that's pretty good top end if you ask me. Do you really need to go faster than 150mph on the street?

tony n.

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i just want a fast street car.....dont want to run on slicks right now just on drag radials

Boltz

I agree that a shorter tranny like the b16 or gsr would be best.


Just to add something useful to the conversation. Im close to 300whp in a d16 with an EX transmission. I rev to 7800 rpm, and the gears are so long its not very "fun" on the street, because you only get to hit two gearshifts before you are going so fast, its stupid. I hit about 70mph in second and close to 110 in third.

I like shifting a lot .... STI here I come

turboEGhatch

23.1" = 205/50/15 tire.

PM-Performance

ReDHaTcHy97
Where is your experience? i have seen you talk alot in the past week or two, but your talk seems more like internet reading and myths rather than true insight from trying diff things.

This has been beaten to death.
Where do shortger gears kill your car for everyday use?
They dont. You just rev a little higher

If you want a highway top speed ricer racer, run an go loger gearing or get a Supra
If you want quick acceleration go with shorter gearing

With my ITR trans I have ran a few people on the highway so I KNOW my top speed was still there. Just at a diff RPM, But if I can rv that high what diff does it make?
Also races are won by who gets to the finish line first. If the shorter gearing car accelerates quicker and gets to his powerband quicker, Guess who will prob win

ReDHaTcHyGuy

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondahatch741 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it seems like your sayin short gears are good for accelaration and 1/4 mile racing.. but what about my case im building a turbo ls in a eg hatch with a ls tranny.. i mainly street race and i wanna be kind of fast top end . should i keep the ls tranny or get the b16</TD></TR></TABLE>

ls 3rd gear on the highway is killer .. my buddie ran 12.0 on a bone stock ls running 13 pounds , he make 293 to the wheels .. it was a fun car to drive .. and he tore up most the cars around here

PM-Performance

and if he woulda ran a tighter gearing tranny he prob woulda went 11's

ReDHaTcHyGuy

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itr206 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ReDHaTcHy97
Where is your experience? i have seen you talk alot in the past week or two, but your talk seems more like Internet reading and myths rather than true insight from trying diff things.

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My experiance come from all the people i work with doing this sort of thing.. building cars , doing swaps . working the pits for my crew.. ya know if u would of read earlier i believe i said that "I" prefer a ls for my daily driver , I'm not try to be a drag racer like everyone else on here .. that was my opinion , I'm not stupid i know that a shorter geared tranny would get me down the track faster..... but i don't car about that i just want a fast reliable car that i can drive up the highway and not tach 4grand or so at 75mph ..... maybe everyone should stop trying to flame everyone one for there opinion...... yeah i could pick up a few tenth or maybe a half a second by using a gsr instead of a Ls but i don't care..... everyone is intitled to there opinion, u all don't have to be jerks when someone gives there's just giver ur opinion and move on

ReDHaTcHyGuy

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hey i'm sure he would have

PM-Performance

Im just saying what does 500 RPM's mean on the highway? Thats what Im getting at.
Its a Honda, it needs the revs to make power. If it couldnt rev it would be dead.

HiProfile

I'll come in splitting the difference. I'd say get a gsr tranny with ls 5th - if its a daily driver. It (the b16) doesn't have the off-boost torque the LS uses to lug around, yet the RPM's you can turn wouldn't be the best with an LS tranny.

The problem with really short gears with so much [relative] power and so little traction (not everyone uses slicks ) is that the wheels can spin out of control much easier. Unless you practice perfect launches, the longer gears will benifit you. There's also the possibility that the extra shift you'll need at the end of the quarter could lead to a diminished benifit.

If you're turning 3200rpm@72mph with an LS tranny, an extra 500 rpm is over 15% more spinning. For a daily driver that's a sizable dent in both fuel ecconomy and, to a lesser extent, motor longevity (yeah, I know its a Honda ). For a b16 on the freeway, though, that 500 rpm may translate into waiting for boost when you stomp on it or having it already.

For a B18 or a quick-spooling B16 I'd say LS or GSR tranny, B16 or slow-spooling B18 I'd say GSR or B16 tranny. Just my $.02

tony n.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HiProfile &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'll come in splitting the difference. I'd say get a gsr tranny with ls 5th - if its a daily driver. It (the b16) doesn't have the off-boost torque the LS uses to lug around, yet the RPM's you can turn wouldn't be the best with an LS tranny.

The problem with really short gears with so much [relative] power and so little traction (not everyone uses slicks ) is that the wheels can spin out of control much easier. Unless you practice perfect launches, the longer gears will benifit you. There's also the possibility that the extra shift you'll need at the end of the quarter could lead to a diminished benifit.

If you're turning 3200rpm@72mph with an LS tranny, an extra 500 rpm is over 15% more spinning. For a daily driver that's a sizable dent in both fuel ecconomy and, to a lesser extent, motor longevity (yeah, I know its a Honda ). For a b16 on the freeway, though, that 500 rpm may translate into waiting for boost when you stomp on it or having it already.

For a B18 or a quick-spooling B16 I'd say LS or GSR tranny, B16 or slow-spooling B18 I'd say GSR or B16 tranny. Just my $.02</TD></TR></TABLE>

im just gonna run with the ls and see whats up.....yeah i dont want to run on slicks either

beerbongskickass

You can do a lot of other things besides slicks to get traction guys...

PM-Performance

lol you dont need to run on slicks. If your not making a ton of power the shorter gears arent that bad. seriously.
Try it and dont just bash it without really knowing.

turboEGhatch

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im just gonna run with the ls and see whats up.....yeah i dont want to run on slicks either</TD></TR></TABLE>

Like I said, I had a friend with that setup and it blew *** on the street. When your motor makes under 100 ft-lbs of torque naturally aspirated you need gearing to make up for the having no *****! LS tranny sucks my gaping ******* on a B16, I wouldn't wish that atrocity on my worst enemy.