TravisBiggie

I searched, searched, and searched, found some information, but not enough.

I have the choice of
BC0021 (stage 2 turbo cams) or
BC0022 (stage 2 n/a cams)
BC0023 (stage 3 n/a cams)

I found all three for a great price. I am trying to keep the costs down as much as possible, for that reason, I prefer not to get adjustable cam gears unless I would be a fool not to. (I know I can find them for $100, used)

I understand cam gears are a must for n/a cams on a turbo setup, but could I Get away with running the stage 2 turbo cams without adjustable cams gears? Or is it worth buying the cam gears, to run the stage 3 n/a cams?

I have a LS head, stock ports, skunk2 intake manifold, and crower springs. I want larger cams just because I have the springs to support them, I think it would be a waste not buying larger cams.

Plan to shove in 17-20 psi for a power goal of about 400whp, hopefully a little more.

Your thoughts?

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2kdrift

put a vtec head on it and call it a day

Geis

Unhelpful and off topic
Real smooth

2kdrift

Its actually very helpful....as it will give better power potential, better powerband, more aftermarket support....etc

however you comment was not

supersilverdc2

You will always (most of the time unless otherwise stated they are drop in compatible) need to set your cams if they are aftermarket which means you need to get adjustable cam gears. otherwise you can face catastrophic failure to your engine.

TravisBiggie

Its not helpful because I didn't make a post asking whether or not I should use a non vtec head or vtec head, did I?

I think everyone is pretty aware of the differences, but as stated, this is not what I made this thread for.

QFT

TravisBiggie

I'm at the point, either buy the stage 2 turbo cams and run them on stock cam gears, or just run stock LS cams, which I rather not with crower springs already installed.

Geis

At least try out the stage 2's if nothing else. I wasn't aware the stage 3's required adjustable cam gears...look up boosted94gsr's build. He's running bc stage 2 na cams with stock cam gears (i believe they're stock) revving to 8k and putting down nearly 400 to the wheels himself. Says they drive great as well.

TravisBiggie

I am just under the assumption you need cam gears for n/a cams on a turbo setup.

but thanks for your reply. I also was just told another guy running skunk 2 tuner cams with stock gears. I think i'll go with stock gears on the turbo cams.

turbohatch96y7

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X2

turbohatch96y7

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If the head or block has been milled

Get cam gears so you dont pull your hair our trying to line everything up

LightningTeg

Totally not needed for 400whp. Mild cams will do the trick along with everything else hes got.

Turbo-LS

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Travis pm me on cams

TravisBiggie

you guys must not understand that I have a whole non vtec setup. Stop telling me to change my build. Its my build not yours. If I wanted a VTEC setup, I wouldn't of sold my sleeved block and built ITR head.

blackeg

tuned a buddys b18b with my old bc0022 and blox im. ot pulled great above 5000 rpm but I feel like it struggled to spool the 60 trim t3t4 below 4000 ish rpm. it's been a while but that's what I remember. the car (full weight dc on street tires) wound up going mid 13's at around 105 mph on 10-12 psi boost

turbohatch96y7

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Non vtec is borderline retarded

TravisBiggie

How are ******** like you who just talk trash on posts still allowed to post on this forum? Just **** off already, jesus christ. I think you're retarded trying to get people to listen to you when we want to hear nothing you have to say about vtec heads. Your vtec opinions are truly irrelevant, as ive stated, THREE TIMES NOW.

Stop posting

TravisBiggie

this ******** doesn't get it. Just because his vtek head flows more means any other head people use is pointless and retarded apparently.

Is this a Forced Induction section or is this a troll off topic section?

DA-NINE

Just like the post you made..



To OP

I am no cam expert, PM Rocket Motorsports or Derek from DDTECH cams about your build and see what cam specs they would recommend.

Back in the day the Crower 402T, 403, and 404's were pretty popular, you could compare cam cards and see which stands out as the best choice.

As you can tell not many people push LS heads but the information is out there.

I personally run a non vtec head(p8r) with a set of Rocket motorsports cams, price was reasonable and they made good power.

TravisBiggie

Thanks for the post. I appreciate it, unlike other stuck up jackasses here.

I will PM Derek. would you happen to have his profile name?

DA-NINE

youre better off messaging him on facebook

DDTECH

Although i'm no longer active on here, I still check in from time to time. Find me on FB or visit our website, ddtechcams.com or our DDTECH facebook page.

96ekb20

im just like you anti vtec love to concept of vtec but why wait for the power lol. anyways i wouldnt run any of the brain crowler cams personally i love crowler cams though ive owned 402t 403 and 404 all on all motor set ups. personally the 403 is all you need as your head isnt ported i would port your head before adding cams honestly. we built my friend a laying around parts b20b. so stock b20b minus ycp 84mm itr pistons crowler 403 cams stock ls intake ported to 70mm tb plm try header 2.25 full exhaust catless and straight pipe to the muffler 3" cold air and a blox v stack made 175whp on pump put a skunk intake pro series on made 3 more whp the restriction was the head after that and exhaust so from my experience do a mild port job and 403 cams if u stay around 9.0-9.5:1 comp 404 if you go 10-10.5 yes i seen you planing on boost and thats why cause of the dynamic effect those cams have on the engine. so hope that helps i my self have a b20b cp pistons stock arp rods full floating full race ported p75 head crowler double springs 404 cams eldbrock performer x intake 68mm tb motor that will finally be putting my turbo on now that i got through cali smog so i can let ya know how that works out and the numbers it lays down if you want to hold off on choosing cams for a week and half. its getting a 63mm garrett turbo bwr ram horn 3" exhaust 38mm tial wg 2.5 charge pipes and treadstone tr10c intercooler with grams 1000cc injectors now i am going to use e85 so it may make it a bit different then your build but still should be close. hope this helps

ls-t eg

I rocked crower 404's for quite some time with a shaved head and stock cam gears. It made great power. Hondas flow so well half the people doing big builds don't port there heads when doing a fi build. Look at lightning, 600 hp non v stock casting with 404's. I never put mine on a dyno as it was street tuned but ran 11.4 at 118 in a 2300 lb car on 11 psi. It was very productive with a 57 trim an the 404's. Get them and you will not be sorry. They are proven by half the non v community that they will make power. They do like some cam timing as I am learning now with them but I was very pleased without the cam gears for a long time.

LightningTeg

Crower 402ts, and probably 20lbs of boost would hit your goal. Itll still be very street friendly and make good torque.