LightningTeg's 600whp LS to LS-VTEC Build Legacy
02-15-2015, 06:51 AM
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LightningTeg's 600whp LS to LS-VTEC Build Legacy
Figured I would start a new build thread on here because my original on TI.net is very dead now =/.
My current setup is as follows.
-84MM Benson Sleeved B18B1.
-Stock LS crank
-ARP Head studs
-Eagle Rods
-CP Pistons, 9.7:1
-GE 84mm / OEM headgasket
-PR4 head, factory ports
-Crower 62404 N/A cams
-Crower Springs and TI retainers
-Victor X Intake
-Greddy Type RS BOV
-2.5 Mild steel charge piping
-Treadstone TR8 Intercooler
-Five 'oh Motorsports 1400cc Injectors
-Walbro 400 E85 Version
-GoAutoworks T3 Ramhorn
-Tial 38mm Wastegate
-STC Reaper 62mm. Was an SC61 that was uprgraded with reaper wheel and garrett parts
-Full 3" Exhaust
-Mishimoto X Line Civic size radiator.
-Koni Yellows / Ground control (380/400)
-Omni Power 23mm Rear sway bar
-Polyurthane bushings front lower control arms
-Full race traction bars
-F: 15x8 235/50/15 R888s on Rota Slips
-R: 16x7 205/45/16 Nitto Neogens
-GSR gearset with LS final
-Speed factory SCHA
-Rebuilt 2 years ago new synchros, had gearset micropolished
-Tuned on eCtune by myself
-Boost by gear
-1st and 2nd 15lbs,
-3rd 25-27lbs
-4th and 5th 30lbs
-Made 602/453 hitting boost cut at 7,500 because I accidentally change the value between runs.
I primarily use this car for highway pulls and roll racing.
I would like to get it to a 1/2 mile event but the nearest one in Chicago recently ended because the state bought the runway it was at.
I've been to a few HPDE's and caught the bug. I will be moving towards a lower HP goal with more powerband and response. So in order to do that, and gain some more enjoyment from low speed back roads, I decided it was time to ditch the LS head.
Just picked up a GSR head for it last week It looks ok for the most part. It was on an LS vtec before so the oil passage was blocked but it doesnt look pretty lol.
Theres also a scratch on the cam journal in the middle.
Does that look like it can be repaired or machined?
Will be sending the head off this week otherwise to get cleaned up. I have a set of edelbrock valvesprings I won at WMHM 13' so I will be putting those to use.
Along with:
-Crower steel retainers
-Skunk2 LMAs
-Supertech Valve guids
-Supertech valve seals
But Im really not sure what cams to go with. I was really planning on just sticking with ITR's so I can have as close to an OEM like driver as possible in the lower RPM, but there are a ton of choices out there so I need some recommendations. With the car being geared down in power for road racing, Im looking into longer runner intake manifolds and a turbo like a GTX3071 or TR3030 next year. Id like it to have a real meaty powerband and good transient response. Peak power output 500ish, so the car will be hovering from 300-400 most of its life on the track, with the ability to make more for the occasional drag use.
My current setup is as follows.
-84MM Benson Sleeved B18B1.
-Stock LS crank
-ARP Head studs
-Eagle Rods
-CP Pistons, 9.7:1
-GE 84mm / OEM headgasket
-PR4 head, factory ports
-Crower 62404 N/A cams
-Crower Springs and TI retainers
-Victor X Intake
-Greddy Type RS BOV
-2.5 Mild steel charge piping
-Treadstone TR8 Intercooler
-Five 'oh Motorsports 1400cc Injectors
-Walbro 400 E85 Version
-GoAutoworks T3 Ramhorn
-Tial 38mm Wastegate
-STC Reaper 62mm. Was an SC61 that was uprgraded with reaper wheel and garrett parts
-Full 3" Exhaust
-Mishimoto X Line Civic size radiator.
-Koni Yellows / Ground control (380/400)
-Omni Power 23mm Rear sway bar
-Polyurthane bushings front lower control arms
-Full race traction bars
-F: 15x8 235/50/15 R888s on Rota Slips
-R: 16x7 205/45/16 Nitto Neogens
-GSR gearset with LS final
-Speed factory SCHA
-Rebuilt 2 years ago new synchros, had gearset micropolished
-Tuned on eCtune by myself
-Boost by gear
-1st and 2nd 15lbs,
-3rd 25-27lbs
-4th and 5th 30lbs
-Made 602/453 hitting boost cut at 7,500 because I accidentally change the value between runs.
I primarily use this car for highway pulls and roll racing.
I would like to get it to a 1/2 mile event but the nearest one in Chicago recently ended because the state bought the runway it was at.
I've been to a few HPDE's and caught the bug. I will be moving towards a lower HP goal with more powerband and response. So in order to do that, and gain some more enjoyment from low speed back roads, I decided it was time to ditch the LS head.
Just picked up a GSR head for it last week It looks ok for the most part. It was on an LS vtec before so the oil passage was blocked but it doesnt look pretty lol.
Theres also a scratch on the cam journal in the middle.
Does that look like it can be repaired or machined?
Will be sending the head off this week otherwise to get cleaned up. I have a set of edelbrock valvesprings I won at WMHM 13' so I will be putting those to use.
Along with:
-Crower steel retainers
-Skunk2 LMAs
-Supertech Valve guids
-Supertech valve seals
But Im really not sure what cams to go with. I was really planning on just sticking with ITR's so I can have as close to an OEM like driver as possible in the lower RPM, but there are a ton of choices out there so I need some recommendations. With the car being geared down in power for road racing, Im looking into longer runner intake manifolds and a turbo like a GTX3071 or TR3030 next year. Id like it to have a real meaty powerband and good transient response. Peak power output 500ish, so the car will be hovering from 300-400 most of its life on the track, with the ability to make more for the occasional drag use.
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02-15-2015, 08:34 AM
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where's that thread over on TI ill go bump it. i recently joined there since this place is getting slower and im sitting online more during the winter..
i think itrs would be a great cam choice. i remember jeff evans saying a while back that they were a great choice for a turbo flowing less than 60lbs. then maybe something like pro1 over that turbo size. they have a pretty good midrange and have off vtec stock characteristics easier to drive and tune. im sure someone will chime in otherwise.
have you looked into the sk2 ultra as an im possibility?
i think that journal scoring will be a non issue. indents are way better than bumps. i bet you could get it smoother pretty quick with a grey scotchbrite. just remember how soft aluminum is so easy with the lower grit stuff.
have your machinist check the valve to guide clearance if its good im not sure if the supertech guides are really needed.
i think itrs would be a great cam choice. i remember jeff evans saying a while back that they were a great choice for a turbo flowing less than 60lbs. then maybe something like pro1 over that turbo size. they have a pretty good midrange and have off vtec stock characteristics easier to drive and tune. im sure someone will chime in otherwise.
have you looked into the sk2 ultra as an im possibility?
i think that journal scoring will be a non issue. indents are way better than bumps. i bet you could get it smoother pretty quick with a grey scotchbrite. just remember how soft aluminum is so easy with the lower grit stuff.
have your machinist check the valve to guide clearance if its good im not sure if the supertech guides are really needed.
02-16-2015, 02:50 AM
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where's that thread over on TI ill go bump it. i recently joined there since this place is getting slower and im sitting online more during the winter..
i think itrs would be a great cam choice. i remember jeff evans saying a while back that they were a great choice for a turbo flowing less than 60lbs. then maybe something like pro1 over that turbo size. they have a pretty good midrange and have off vtec stock characteristics easier to drive and tune. im sure someone will chime in otherwise.
have you looked into the sk2 ultra as an im possibility?
i think that journal scoring will be a non issue. indents are way better than bumps. i bet you could get it smoother pretty quick with a grey scotchbrite. just remember how soft aluminum is so easy with the lower grit stuff.
have your machinist check the valve to guide clearance if its good im not sure if the supertech guides are really needed.
i think itrs would be a great cam choice. i remember jeff evans saying a while back that they were a great choice for a turbo flowing less than 60lbs. then maybe something like pro1 over that turbo size. they have a pretty good midrange and have off vtec stock characteristics easier to drive and tune. im sure someone will chime in otherwise.
have you looked into the sk2 ultra as an im possibility?
i think that journal scoring will be a non issue. indents are way better than bumps. i bet you could get it smoother pretty quick with a grey scotchbrite. just remember how soft aluminum is so easy with the lower grit stuff.
have your machinist check the valve to guide clearance if its good im not sure if the supertech guides are really needed.
Alot of the photo links are broken because photobucket sucks
Yeah I was pretty sure ITR's would be the choice. Maybe SK2 Tuner 1s (slightly more aggressive).
And I was looking into the performer X initially, but the Ultra is in the same price range and the runners look similar in length so its a definite possibility when the time comes.
02-17-2015, 01:33 PM
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dude i hate photobucket with a passion. it keeps getting worse and worse if you ask me.
nothing wrong with tuner1's. will get the job done and then some. primaries are still small enough i bet its night and day for out of boost driveability and even mpg over the nonvtec with 404's
since you have a nice 84mm block at right about 10:1 with the right turbo it will have excellent response.
nothing wrong with tuner1's. will get the job done and then some. primaries are still small enough i bet its night and day for out of boost driveability and even mpg over the nonvtec with 404's
since you have a nice 84mm block at right about 10:1 with the right turbo it will have excellent response.
02-17-2015, 04:29 PM
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dude i hate photobucket with a passion. it keeps getting worse and worse if you ask me.
nothing wrong with tuner1's. will get the job done and then some. primaries are still small enough i bet its night and day for out of boost driveability and even mpg over the nonvtec with 404's
since you have a nice 84mm block at right about 10:1 with the right turbo it will have excellent response.
nothing wrong with tuner1's. will get the job done and then some. primaries are still small enough i bet its night and day for out of boost driveability and even mpg over the nonvtec with 404's
since you have a nice 84mm block at right about 10:1 with the right turbo it will have excellent response.
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niceeeee.......hum... although i'll I'll always see you as a nonvtec guy 
well if you can score a decent deal on good condition itr cams go for it.
if not T1 or S2T1 would be fine too.
I'm at 500whp, but on the shorter road courses (less than 2miles) i generally only have 1 spot to open up and use all that power for about 4secs. Most of the time the car is seeing around 350ish whp. On larger courses you will have huge straights and you'll miss having 600whp if your on the track with other quick cars.
as for IM choice?
I'd say skip the ITR style and go with PX or Ultra Street....or if you have time gut the stock gsr one and play with that a little.
well if you can score a decent deal on good condition itr cams go for it.
if not T1 or S2T1 would be fine too.
I'm at 500whp, but on the shorter road courses (less than 2miles) i generally only have 1 spot to open up and use all that power for about 4secs. Most of the time the car is seeing around 350ish whp. On larger courses you will have huge straights and you'll miss having 600whp if your on the track with other quick cars.
as for IM choice?
I'd say skip the ITR style and go with PX or Ultra Street....or if you have time gut the stock gsr one and play with that a little.
02-19-2015, 07:10 PM
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I'm gonna miss the all-out smackdown roll videos.
You can check the clearance between whatever cams u acquire and the holder bearing surfaces with plastigauge. The tolerances are in the manual.
Spin them in the head with no valvetrain to check for binding just for fun.
I wouldn't try hand sanding unless u had raised burrs and then very carefully only on the burr. Removing more material can't be good. And inaccurate.
Someone will invent a bearing fix maybe when the used heads all disappear.
You can check the clearance between whatever cams u acquire and the holder bearing surfaces with plastigauge. The tolerances are in the manual.
Spin them in the head with no valvetrain to check for binding just for fun.
I wouldn't try hand sanding unless u had raised burrs and then very carefully only on the burr. Removing more material can't be good. And inaccurate.
Someone will invent a bearing fix maybe when the used heads all disappear.
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You can have Josh deburr the journal. They have a cross buff that will knock down the high spots without taking much out of the journal. You'll have to give them the head and cam caps/rails.
If you're looking for a little over 500, you should drive my car sometime. Broad powerband from crossover to redline. I've autoxd a couple of times with the car and it's a lot of fun.
If you're looking for a little over 500, you should drive my car sometime. Broad powerband from crossover to redline. I've autoxd a couple of times with the car and it's a lot of fun.
02-20-2015, 03:26 AM
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niceeeee.......hum... although i'll I'll always see you as a nonvtec guy
well if you can score a decent deal on good condition itr cams go for it.
if not T1 or S2T1 would be fine too.
I'm at 500whp, but on the shorter road courses (less than 2miles) i generally only have 1 spot to open up and use all that power for about 4secs. Most of the time the car is seeing around 350ish whp. On larger courses you will have huge straights and you'll miss having 600whp if your on the track with other quick cars.
as for IM choice?
I'd say skip the ITR style and go with PX or Ultra Street....or if you have time gut the stock gsr one and play with that a little.
well if you can score a decent deal on good condition itr cams go for it.
if not T1 or S2T1 would be fine too.
I'm at 500whp, but on the shorter road courses (less than 2miles) i generally only have 1 spot to open up and use all that power for about 4secs. Most of the time the car is seeing around 350ish whp. On larger courses you will have huge straights and you'll miss having 600whp if your on the track with other quick cars.
as for IM choice?
I'd say skip the ITR style and go with PX or Ultra Street....or if you have time gut the stock gsr one and play with that a little.
Performer or Ultra was what I had in my head from the start. I didnt get an intake when I bought the head.
I'm gonna miss the all-out smackdown roll videos.
You can check the clearance between whatever cams u acquire and the holder bearing surfaces with plastigauge. The tolerances are in the manual.
Spin them in the head with no valvetrain to check for binding just for fun.
I wouldn't try hand sanding unless u had raised burrs and then very carefully only on the burr. Removing more material can't be good. And inaccurate.
Someone will invent a bearing fix maybe when the used heads all disappear.
You can check the clearance between whatever cams u acquire and the holder bearing surfaces with plastigauge. The tolerances are in the manual.
Spin them in the head with no valvetrain to check for binding just for fun.
I wouldn't try hand sanding unless u had raised burrs and then very carefully only on the burr. Removing more material can't be good. And inaccurate.
Someone will invent a bearing fix maybe when the used heads all disappear.
You can have Josh deburr the journal. They have a cross buff that will knock down the high spots without taking much out of the journal. You'll have to give them the head and cam caps/rails.
If you're looking for a little over 500, you should drive my car sometime. Broad powerband from crossover to redline. I've autoxd a couple of times with the car and it's a lot of fun.
If you're looking for a little over 500, you should drive my car sometime. Broad powerband from crossover to redline. I've autoxd a couple of times with the car and it's a lot of fun.
What kind of turbo do you have?
02-20-2015, 05:56 AM
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Got all the parts I need, dropping off at the machine shop today. I was told turn around would be 3-4 days.
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I too was not expecting this! The LS is definatly stout when it comes to stock block boost, and can make some good numbers built, but I decided to go this route as well...Looking forward to seeing the finished product!