alright thanks guys what do you think about a methanol kit so i can run 22psi. and if i change the timing to 12 will i loose power??

 

so what add more boost and you not gonna lose alot of power

 

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lol

 

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It's better to loose some power than keep on blowing headgaskets. You can still make the same power but it will require you to turn up the boost , as long as the timing is right...you should be good. It's not about how much boost you run...it's about how safe (A/F and timing) you run at those boost levels. Boost don't kill motors...a bad tune kills motors.

 

I tuned the car at my shop. I tuned plenty of cars. This car ran fine for 1 year at 12 psi with stock rods and srp piston. Due to the difficulty of putting rods in and the added price of $400, he elected not to have them installed. However, I did sell him a sleeve kit and it was installed. the turbo is not a t67. It does not have a name on it. I could only guess and say t3/t4 .63 exhaust housing. This poor car gets the crap beat out of it every night. The tune was solid for a year. timing was set to stock on the pulley and overall timing is 12 degrees at 12 psi on 93 octane. He wants to go to 22psi, I said he needs race gas but money is an issue. this thread is not bull ****.
5 months ago, he broke the left motor mount. He took it to a different shop and they removed the head and pistons to fix the motor mounts. The guy that owns the shop said the piston were melted. The OP bring the pistons back, they were not melted. No air filter was put on the turbo not even mesh so the pistons have a little spot on them not detenation.
that shop then installed new rods and piston. THey also said they needed custom rods and they had to be made. Now, I am the middle man and have no say. But give advice thats ignored. I did see the reciept from the second rebuild and it does say b16 pistons. I showed him a b16a block and said noway that cant work.
I retuned that build at 16 -17 psi timming at 12 degrees and 750 cc injectors at 60%. the car was fine for 3 months. Boost is like crack, now he installs a manual boost controller and turns it up to 20-22 psi. bam bad head gasket. He does another headgasket but now there rod knock because water in the motor. I say motor done but he does another headgasket. thats the sad story.

 

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I'm not comparing motors...I'm saying 22psi is not that much boost and trust me, I know the difference between the Evo and D- series engine. </TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PHDZINE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Come on guys...22psi is not really that much boost. Think about it...a Evo runs 19-20psi. stock. I have tuned stock block Evo's at 30psi on 91 octane with stock turbo. I would personally run around 12-13 degree's of timing at 22psi Depending on the turbo...I tune most honda up to 24psi on 91 octane. Also a T67 should make more power than that, at 22psi</TD></TR></TABLE>
I forgot psi means everything and not cfm flow and efficiency of the turbo. 22psi on a t67 is the same as 22psi on a 18g right? not

 

Finally explained.

 

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I forgot psi means everything and not cfm flow and efficiency of the turbo. 22psi on a t67 is the same as 22psi on a 18g right? not</TD></TR></TABLE>

"PSI" is a general word used to describe a goal or target to achieve when tuning. You dont say...hey, lets tune to 700CFM at 70% turbo efficiency. Come on now...you dont have to be an Einstein to know that a bigger turbo flows more at the same boost levels as smaller turbos. If that was the case, I should of saved my money and headache and just ran a 18g at 44PSI and still been able to go 9's right?....NOT

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ramma &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I tuned the car at my shop. I tuned plenty of cars. This car ran fine for 1 year at 12 psi with stock rods and srp piston. Due to the difficulty of putting rods in and the added price of $400, he elected not to have them installed. However, I did sell him a sleeve kit and it was installed. the turbo is not a t67. It does not have a name on it. I could only guess and say t3/t4 .63 exhaust housing. This poor car gets the crap beat out of it every night. The tune was solid for a year. timing was set to stock on the pulley and overall timing is 12 degrees at 12 psi on 93 octane. He wants to go to 22psi, I said he needs race gas but money is an issue. this thread is not bull ****.
5 months ago, he broke the left motor mount. He took it to a different shop and they removed the head and pistons to fix the motor mounts. The guy that owns the shop said the piston were melted. The OP bring the pistons back, they were not melted. No air filter was put on the turbo not even mesh so the pistons have a little spot on them not detenation.
that shop then installed new rods and piston. THey also said they needed custom rods and they had to be made. Now, I am the middle man and have no say. But give advice thats ignored. I did see the reciept from the second rebuild and it does say b16 pistons. I showed him a b16a block and said noway that cant work.
I retuned that build at 16 -17 psi timming at 12 degrees and 750 cc injectors at 60%. the car was fine for 3 months. Boost is like crack, now he installs a manual boost controller and turns it up to 20-22 psi. bam bad head gasket. He does another headgasket but now there rod knock because water in the motor. I say motor done but he does another headgasket. thats the sad story. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I think I crapped a little from laughing so hard. I feel your pain, man. Kids are stupid.

 

so it looks as if the OP is just a retard

 

no im not a retard because it was perfectly fine on 22psi for well over 4months and yeh i beat the **** out of my car almost every night but i didnt spend my money to build this car so i can drive it like an old man, the headgasket bullshit started to happen after a radiator hose blew off the lower radiator hose to be exact, and after that happen its just ben an endless amount of problems with the head

 

let me get this right..you were running 22psi and you are tuned to 17psi?

 

how do you even know the problem is the head?

 

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wait ONE MORE TIME...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by maddog20 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">let me get this right..you were running 22psi and you are tuned to 17psi? </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

it was tuned to 17 psi and i went back to my tuner and told him i want to go to 22 and he said i might need race gas but when we were tuning we did not hear any detenation so he said it was all good and it ran like a raped ape the **** holled *** but then one day the hose came off then the problems started,
oo yeh the airfuels were between 11 and 11.5 across the board

 

i dont know if the head is the problem, thats why im looken for help

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbo-sohc 380WHP &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont know if the head is the problem, thats why im looken for help</TD></TR></TABLE>

uhh how were you listening for detonation ?? DET can or some sort maybe?

what exactly is the prob;em with the motor? what is it doing?

but i can tell you one thing... you cant be running 91 octane with that much power.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbo-sohc 380WHP &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it was tuned to 17 psi and i went back to my tuner and told him i want to go to 22 and he said i might need race gas but when we were tuning we did not hear any detenation so he said it was all good and it ran like a raped ape the **** holled *** but then one day the hose came off then the problems started,
oo yeh the airfuels were between 11 and 11.5 across the board</TD></TR></TABLE>

you could also ask yourself why the radiator hose blew off, could have had some help from some cylinder pressure.

 

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wait ONE MORE TIME...

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Dude it was said in sarcasm!


The tuner stated in his post that he tuned the car to 16-17psi. This guy gets MBC turns the boost past what it is tuned for.

Especially on a D series which is a notious HG popper if the timing is to high.

resurface the head, buy a OEM HG and some headstuds. Have the tuner pull some timing.

 

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you could also ask yourself why the radiator hose blew off, could have had some help from some cylinder pressure.</TD></TR></TABLE>

exactly

 

(3:42 PM 11/28/2007) turbo-sohc 380WHP: heywhats up its the guy with the sohc head gasket problem
(3:43 PM 11/28/2007) turbo-sohc 380WHP: my car made 380whp at 17psi it was fine but when we went to 22 it lasted about 2months oo yeh this car is my daily driver

(3:43 PM 11/28/2007) turbo-sohc 380WHP: my car made 380whp at 17psi it was fine but when we went to 22 it lasted about 2months oo yeh this car is my daily driver

(3:46 PM 11/28/2007) nowtype: I don't care to talk to you via pm but your specs are way off. There is no possible way your engine is a 81mm bore. All of your numbers/specs seem way off. Basically I'm suggesting you don't have a clue about your car and paid for everything. Bad thing for you is the people you paid most likely suck. So either pay less sucky people or start learning how to fix your own ****. Fixing your own **** will take time, so while you learn find a non shitty shop. I suggest seeing http://www.xenocron.com
(3:55 PM 11/28/2007) turbo-sohc 380WHP: i work at a shop and if u read the posts the bore size was a misprint its stock bore 9.5.1 compression pistons

(3:56 PM 11/28/2007) turbo-sohc 380WHP: im just looken for help obviously ur not helpen so then dont post thanks
(4:00 PM 11/28/2007) nowtype: You're running too much boost with that octane. You're getting pressure spikes in the combustion chambers due to detonation or just too high of cylinder pressures causing your head to lift. Learn to spell and post accurate information next time.
(4:00 PM 11/28/2007) nowtype: PS: Your shop sucks if they couldn't figure out why a small bore D-series on high boost on pump gas is blowing HGs.

 

detonation is what lifts heads.

this guy hasnt even said whats wrong with the motor yet.. what exactly is the problem with it?

 

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"PSI" is a general word used to describe a goal or target to achieve when tuning. You dont say...hey, lets tune to 700CFM at 70% turbo efficiency. Come on now...you dont have to be an Einstein to know that a bigger turbo flows more at the same boost levels as smaller turbos. If that was the case, I should of saved my money and headache and just ran a 18g at 44PSI and still been able to go 9's right?....NOT</TD></TR></TABLE>
I know this, you used psi in a stupid way, ive tuned honda to 24 psi without problems evo's run 18-19 stock or whatever u said. Its just silly, when u dont give a hp or turbo size figure. That is all i was getting at. Psi is just a function of horsepower and turbo flow.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quicksilver1689 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I know this, you used psi in a stupid way, ive tuned honda to 24 psi without problems evo's run 18-19 stock or whatever u said. Its just silly, when u dont give a hp or turbo size figure. That is all i was getting at. Psi is just a function of horsepower and turbo flow.</TD></TR></TABLE>...ok MR. Know it all...I'm done arguing with you...lets race it out. Name the place and time!