Just installed uber basemap, car runs like poop
05-20-2005, 11:54 AM
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Just installed uber basemap, car runs like poop
Setup:
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t3/to4e @ 7 psi
Crower 404 cams, springs and ret.
450cc Inj
Well. I've been runnin on the safc "hack" and it ran perfect. No misses/backfires/idles great at around 750rpm (+/-)
I sent out my ecu to be chipped, told him exactly what i had and what not.
i get the ecu today and install and it ran really crappy, idled really rough , like struggling to stay on then just dies. also a crap load of smoke kept coming out and i thought it would stop but didn't.
kinda reminded me when i installed my cams without tuning or what not. got any insight on this? lmk.
b18b
t3/to4e @ 7 psi
Crower 404 cams, springs and ret.
450cc Inj
Well. I've been runnin on the safc "hack" and it ran perfect. No misses/backfires/idles great at around 750rpm (+/-)
I sent out my ecu to be chipped, told him exactly what i had and what not.
i get the ecu today and install and it ran really crappy, idled really rough , like struggling to stay on then just dies. also a crap load of smoke kept coming out and i thought it would stop but didn't.
kinda reminded me when i installed my cams without tuning or what not. got any insight on this? lmk.
05-20-2005, 11:57 AM
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Re: Just installed uber basemap, car runs like poop (no2unenolife)
Something is wrong w/ the .bin. I suggest downloading a version of UD, getting a burner and, creating your own basemap. It's very simple and there is plenty of support on the UD forums and here. If you are willing to do that LMK and I'll walk you through making a basemap.
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05-20-2005, 12:20 PM
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Re: (no2unenolife)
A <U>BASEMAP</U> is not a TUNE. It is a basemap to get you to your tuner. The only way to do this yourself is to buy a ROM burner and a wideband, otherwise give up now and pay someone to tune the car.
05-20-2005, 12:24 PM
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IMO, a basemap w/ 450's should idle like an OE vehicle. The boost portion may be bananas but, the car should run like stock in vacum.
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05-20-2005, 12:38 PM
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05-20-2005, 12:48 PM
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unfortunately not, i paid someone to chip it, oh well,i'll just buy my self a burner and try it myself. hondaguyef = thanks for helping me so far
05-20-2005, 12:50 PM
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Agreed. Sounds to me that the basemap the guy made did not account for 450's and it's running uber rich.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondaguyef »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IMO, a basemap w/ 450's should idle like an OE vehicle. The boost portion may be bananas but, the car should run like stock in vacum.
Phil</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondaguyef »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IMO, a basemap w/ 450's should idle like an OE vehicle. The boost portion may be bananas but, the car should run like stock in vacum.
Phil</TD></TR></TABLE>
05-20-2005, 01:23 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nfn15037 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A <U>BASEMAP</U>The only way to do this yourself is to buy a ROM burner</TD></TR></TABLE>
where can i find ROM burner
where can i find ROM burner
05-20-2005, 01:33 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CiViC SiR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">where can i find ROM burner</TD></TR></TABLE>
You can go to e-bay and search for "Willem Enhanced" which can be found for between $50-$60 or go to http://www.moates.net and search for the BURN1 which is $85 + s/h.
You can go to e-bay and search for "Willem Enhanced" which can be found for between $50-$60 or go to http://www.moates.net and search for the BURN1 which is $85 + s/h.
05-20-2005, 04:40 PM
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Sorry. My PLX is hardwired in so I can't swap it to another car for tuning. But you don't need a wideband for a basemap.
It seriously takes about thirty seconds to make a basemap. The base maps run on stock ECU maps when you are out of boost, so if your car doesn't start/idle right, then someone fudged the settings. Heck, if you download the software and buy a burner, I can just tell you what to click to get a basemap going.
It sounds like the injector scaling was done wrong. That's a two second fix.
It seriously takes about thirty seconds to make a basemap. The base maps run on stock ECU maps when you are out of boost, so if your car doesn't start/idle right, then someone fudged the settings. Heck, if you download the software and buy a burner, I can just tell you what to click to get a basemap going.
It sounds like the injector scaling was done wrong. That's a two second fix.
05-20-2005, 05:43 PM
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Re: Just installed uber basemap, car runs like poop (no2unenolife)
no2unenolife,
You said that you had run the AFC hack before, so you were running an FMU right? how long were you running an FMU for on those 450's? But lie Enzospeed said maybe whoever made your basemap messed up the injector sizing. Cause if it has a crappy idle, then either the injector sizing in your .bin is wrong, or there is something wrong with the injectors themseves.
You said that you had run the AFC hack before, so you were running an FMU right? how long were you running an FMU for on those 450's? But lie Enzospeed said maybe whoever made your basemap messed up the injector sizing. Cause if it has a crappy idle, then either the injector sizing in your .bin is wrong, or there is something wrong with the injectors themseves.
05-20-2005, 05:50 PM
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Re: Just installed uber basemap, car runs like poop (BlueShadow)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlueShadow »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no2unenolife,
You said that you had run the AFC hack before, so you were running an FMU right? how long were you running an FMU for on those 450's? But lie Enzospeed said maybe whoever made your basemap messed up the injector sizing. Cause if it has a crappy idle, then either the injector sizing in your .bin is wrong, or there is something wrong with the injectors themseves.</TD></TR></TABLE>
never ran fmu, just safc hack w/ the 450's and it runs great with the hack, but i don't want to rely on it.
You said that you had run the AFC hack before, so you were running an FMU right? how long were you running an FMU for on those 450's? But lie Enzospeed said maybe whoever made your basemap messed up the injector sizing. Cause if it has a crappy idle, then either the injector sizing in your .bin is wrong, or there is something wrong with the injectors themseves.</TD></TR></TABLE>
never ran fmu, just safc hack w/ the 450's and it runs great with the hack, but i don't want to rely on it.
05-20-2005, 05:52 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonvtecD »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">AFC hack and FMU are not the same thing, what are you talking about BlueShadow?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I dont know much about the ADC hack and I dont really wanna know. I might just be thinking about people who use the FMU with stock injectors and using an AFC to richen/lean out fuel at certain RPM points. I dont know if larger injectors and the AFC hack still use the FMU or not (I wouldn't think so cause at higher FP that's a lot of fuel).
Hopefully it's just bad injector sizing. I remember reading posts about used DSM injectors leaking. S people usually get them cleaned and flow tested to make sure they aren't bad.
I dont know much about the ADC hack and I dont really wanna know. I might just be thinking about people who use the FMU with stock injectors and using an AFC to richen/lean out fuel at certain RPM points. I dont know if larger injectors and the AFC hack still use the FMU or not (I wouldn't think so cause at higher FP that's a lot of fuel).
Hopefully it's just bad injector sizing. I remember reading posts about used DSM injectors leaking. S people usually get them cleaned and flow tested to make sure they aren't bad.
05-20-2005, 05:55 PM
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yeah you're confused. The "AFC hack" is when people use 450cc injectors and turn them down with an AFC effectively controlling fuel while tricking the map into not actually seeing boost.
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05-20-2005, 07:14 PM
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i got at chipped from projekteg on Homemadeturbo...he actually has a good reputation on hmt.
but yea i wouldve done it through phearable...instead of what i did...
doubt he'd give me back anything or whatever, 70bux down the drain
but yea i wouldve done it through phearable...instead of what i did...
doubt he'd give me back anything or whatever, 70bux down the drain