jbell

if i wanted to buy a supercharger, and slap it on my stock d15b (non vtec)... and run say... 8 pounds, i should be good right?

on the side, i wanna save for jdm d15b and then drop that in... then run 10 pounds...

will the JRSC match up on both of the heads???

10psi should be safe for a daily driver, right? i know the motors can handle around 220whp... and 10psi should give me around 180 or so... i should be safe, right?

Tad

yeah the jrsc will bolt up fine to both.
for 8lbs you will need to upgrade the fuel management, as the stock JR fmu and fuel enrichment relay setup won't cut it.

10psi, basically I look at it this way,
the JRSC is good, but turbo's make more power, so you're not going to see the power a turbo would at 10psi, which would be well over 200 whp, and at the range where the stock dseries rods start to let go.

SO, you won't have to worry as much about the POWER ripping your motor apart,
BUT, the JRSC is not intercooled, so you WILL want to worry a bit more about detonation.

I'd say really good fueling and tuning is prettymuch required at 10psi..
maybe give the JR water injection a shot? I've heard positive things from people that used it. only downside is you have to refill the waterbottle.

jbell

damnit. im looking to make 180-200whp for like... $3000.
my plan was:

used jrsc - 1500
jdm d15b - 600
kamikaze header - 275
uberdata - 300
misc - 325

exhaust, clutch, intake, etc. are already accounted for.


i dont know what my other options are...
reliabilty is big....

beerbongskickass

D16Z6 + Turbo...

NVMYSi

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jbell &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">damnit. im looking to make 180-200whp for like... $3000.
my plan was:

used jrsc - 1500
jdm d15b - 600
kamikaze header - 275
uberdata - 300
misc - 325

exhaust, clutch, intake, etc. are already accounted for.


i dont know what my other options are...
reliabilty is big....</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have an option for you..buy my b16 w/jackson swap. I will let it go for $3500 look up my threads for details.

Tad

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jbell &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">damnit. im looking to make 180-200whp for like... $3000.
my plan was:

used jrsc - 1500
jdm d15b - 600
kamikaze header - 275
uberdata - 300
misc - 325

exhaust, clutch, intake, etc. are already accounted for.


i dont know what my other options are...
reliabilty is big....</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeh.. if your goal is power for cheap then a custom turbo kit is the only way really.
also to make more boost than 6psi on the jrsc, you'll need boost upgrade pullies.
which arent that expensive but you should keep that in mind.

the jrsc sohc makes around 140whp on the completely stock kit(6psi)
and they are efficient up to 10 psi. so at 10psi with good tuning.. ****.. you COULD hit 180whp.. but i duno, I haven't gotten that far with my kit yet.

i-speed

Are you dead set on boost for now or 200hp. Because you can build a big bore ,long stroke d16 (1825cc) for $3000 an make 200 hp on motor. And add a turbo later when you have more bank ,and double that or tripple it ,depending on bank!
Jeff

I-Speed
336-997-8058

MooreBoost

I used to have a blower, and then went turbo, and I havent looked back since.

Its the only way to go as far as I'm concerned.

jbell

i need more info on the big bore d16.

Mag00n

I am among the small group of people on here who aren't against Supercharges. But I think your motor is too small for a blower.

CivicEJ1

They only best way for forced induction is with a turbo...

Plus...... blowoff valves are the shitzzz.... .....pssshhhh....

Tad

I just typed a buncha reasons for the SC as opposed to turbo.. but deleted it,
hows about we don't start a SC vs TURBO debate plz???

i-speed

I agree a turbo is the way to go but he said he wanted 200hp and had $3,000, i was giving him options .You can sleeve a d16 motor take it out 79mm x 90mm =1766cc, 79mm X 93mm =1825cc and make 200hp w/o turbo ,and much more w/ turbo. Been there done that.
Jeff
I-Speed

jbell

so wait... what do you need? sleeve/bore job... custom pistons, rods, etc?

Tad

Ispeed joined honda-tech 3days ago,
and he's claming its SOOOooo easy to get 200whp out of a dseries n/a,
"all you need is this and this and this and 3grand"

sorry dude, it's not that easy.

dudes sellin snake oil!!

MooreBoost

I agree.

Have you ever seen a SOHC N/A beast?....Neither have I.

jbell

yea.. seriously.. look at the shocker drag crx.. hes barely at 180, if i remember correctly...

i-speed

Well let's see , sleeve the block bore to 3.110 (79mm) , offset grind the crank to 1.652 (d15 size rod journals) use crower D15 rods , use clevite bearings 1459 or 1463( i can't remember which) that will increase the stroke to 3.661 (93mm) now you have a 1825cc. Port the head, add a decent cam shaft, tune it . I mean it is almost as big as b18b ,use your imagination on the rest . And yes it's pretty easy to make 200hp out of a d- series motor, to the doubters, no matter how long i have been on this site ! Never seen a n/a D-series monster what did Bisi have before the n/a f-series it went 10's. I got your snake oil !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just realized you said whp not hp oops, but it is still possible.
Jeff
I-Speed
It wont let me post more so i am editing. To tad the whiner, what is there to dream about it doesn't cost but about $300 to grind the crank, the rods are a bit pricey at $700 but worth it . I am not saying don't turbo it ,but doing both is better .I have done a number of these motors including my own which made 596 whp at 8000 rpms & 463 ft/lbs at 6500 rpms on methanol w/ n2o it made 704 whp & 584 ft/lbs on a dynojet dyno . I am sure you are gonna have something negative to say, so if you want to see it, i plan on hitting all the east coast ndra races & maybe a few boti races 2005. Just because you don't believe you can do it ,doesn't mean it can't be done. Not everbody lives in internet land. And oh yeah i believe Bisi's motor made way more than 200hp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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MooreBoost

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by i-speed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well let's see , sleeve the block bore to 3.110 (79mm) , offset grind the crank to 1.652 (d15 size rod journals) use crower D15 rods , use clevite bearings 1459 or 1463( i can't remember), which will increase the stroke to 3.661 (93mm) now you have a 1825cc. Port the head, add a decent cam shaft, tune it . I mean it is almost as big as b18b ,use your imagination on the rest . And yes it's pretty easy to make 200hp out of a d- series motor, to the doubters, no matter how long i have been on this site ! Never seen a n/a D-series monster what did Bisi have before the n/a f-series it went 10's. I got your snake oil !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just realized you said whp not hp oops, but it is still possible.
Jeff
I-Speed


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...or bolt on a turbo.

Tad

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by i-speed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well let's see , sleeve the block bore to 3.110 (79mm) , offset grind the crank to 1.652 (d15 size rod journals) use crower D15 rods , use clevite bearings 1459 or 1463( i can't remember), which will increase the stroke to 3.661 (93mm) now you have a 1825cc. Port the head, add a decent cam shaft, tune it . I mean it is almost as big as b18b ,use your imagination on the rest . And yes it's pretty easy to make 200hp out of a d- series motor, to the doubters, no matter how long i have been on this site ! Never seen a n/a D-series monster what did Bisi have before the n/a f-series it went 10's. I got your snake oil !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just realized you said whp not hp oops, but it is still possible.
Jeff
I-Speed


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it's alot easier to type out dreams than make them a reality.

but yeah.. if bisi could go 10's. .then gee.. anyone can make 200 on dseries..
ez as pie

Triscuit

b seires jrsc.............is the shiznit

SOHC_MShue

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jbell &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">damnit. im looking to make 180-200whp for like... $3000.
my plan was:

used jrsc - 1500
jdm d15b - 600
kamikaze header - 275
uberdata - 300
misc - 325

exhaust, clutch, intake, etc. are already accounted for.


i dont know what my other options are...
reliabilty is big....</TD></TR></TABLE>

for $3000 you shouldn't have any problems building a nice turbo kit