Ok, so far Im looking at the ostrich, plx300, and Ive found a set of new 750cc RC injectors on ebay. If I do the ostrich will I still need the BURN1? And am I understanding correctly that all the uber data software is free to download?

 

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If you wanna ask questions specific to UD you should check out the UD forums. Links to it are in my sig. I'll answer this though, and hopefully the Ubergods wont smite me or anything.

You dont need the BURN1 if you have Ostrich. However if your Ostrich should go down for any reason, then you have noway to burn chips. Before fully commiting to buying an Ostrich check out the posts about it on the Uberforums and read up on it a bit. I dont know about other peopls experiences with it, so I suggest you at least do a little research.

 

Get peak and hold injectors. they cost 20 dollars more (cause you need a resistor box) but perform better.

 

I take you mean peak and hold VS saturated, right? BTW thanks for all your help BlueShadow, Im asking all the questions I can because I am in the research phase right now.

 

another option is Neptune..
its about 100 bucks

 

fmu, injectors, and vafc 2.......

 

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An intank pump, injectors, and uberdata/turboedit/crome will have a lot more tunability then that setup, and will cost less. The extra money you save with UD, TE and Crome can be put towards setting up the ECU for datalogging, and that will only cost you $10 for a cell phone data cable. The rest of the money you save can be put towards buying a WB setup like a Zt2, PLX300, or an LM1. The only people that end up paying more a little more will be people that dont have laptops.

Anyways, my advice to you Reedy is read up that Keebler link in my sig and of course the Uberforum link in my sig. I think I already suggested that though, but I just wanted to make sure you knew. Believe me if read up the info on those sites you'll go from being uber-clueless to uber-guru, hehehe that's how it was for me. The only thing that helped me out a little was I had a copy of the Apexi Power FC manual and that made me understand how to read fuel and timing tables. But the the ubersite can teach you all that stuff too.

EDIT: oh yah, another suggestion would be to go ahead and download the latest, most stable version of Uberdata and jus start tinering with it. You obviously wont be able to burn chips, but doing that is a cinch. When you first open UD and load up a file, dont be discouraged by what you see. Once you understand what all the cells are, it's pretty simple. Then once you know how to read the stuff, then you learn how to adjust it without blowing stuff up. hehehe

 

Don't go with Uberdata, you have to do your own maps so you end up tweaking fuel and ignition values at 4am while people with non-programmable setups can do other things like sleep and mack on the ladies.

UD is far too addictive. I'm so glad I went with it

 

I dont have a laptop!

 

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You dont need the top of the line laptop, you could get a bare bones laptop with just enough CPU power, RAM and disk space to run the programs. I think a few people have even used palmpilots or those handheld PCs to run UD, TE or Crome.

 

lets see..... Laptop+Uberdata/Hondata+P28+conversion harness+Tuning+etc, etc etc..... = More than fmu, injectors, vafc 2, and tuning correct?

 

Dont get me wrong... If I had the money I'd definatly go with uberdata/hondata but I dont... And also... Is an obd2 to obd1 conversion emissions legal?? Cus if not.... I cant get it.

 

whats more expensive? Uberdata and all you need to go along with it? or a new motor or rebuild? take it from a guy who's blown a motor with an fmu, reliability, tunability and peace of mind is worth the money.

honestly, why spend all that money to go turbo, if you're going to go cheap n half *** the fuel management? Hell, most of the guys out there doing junkyard turbo kits are running uberdata/chrome/turboedit or something similar.

 

Is an obd2 to obd1 conversion emissions legal?

 

I have decided I'm gonna go with an emissions legal kit I.E. greddy or edelbrock... And I'll just stick with whatever fuel management comes with them..... Until I have enough money to upgrade.

 

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no, if your car is obd2, it must be obd2 when it gets emissioned. unless you can talk the guy into plugging in the car behind you when its your turn.
What i did is just plug my stock ecu back in and drive around for about 50 miles, gently

 

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If you're gonna compare the two price-wise, why dont you also compare the kinds of features and tuneability you'll be getting with each one?

Yes if you dont have a laptop it will cost you more, but then again I'm not pricing this setup for you, I'm pricing it for Reedy. He is already OBD 1, and so doesn't need the conversion harness or ECU. If he has a laptop or even a friend that has a laptop, he's on his way to having a full standalone.

BTW, what kind of timing management are you using for your setup mp5o?

 

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I have no setup...... YET!

And listen here man. I know that hondata/uberdata are great for tuning, but really
now... Not all of us have that type of money....

Some of us also have to stay emissions legal....

 

c'mon dude. 150 for an ecu.
if i can get my burner and wideband, well there ya go

 

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And listen here man. I know that hondata/uberdata are great for tuning, but really
now... Not all of us have that type of money....

Some of us also have to stay emissions legal....</TD></TR></TABLE>

Apparently Reedy does have that kind of money to spend since he has set himself some pretty high goals and list of quality parts to get that goal. Even though he does say he is strapped for cash, his setup doesn't sound like it's gonna be cheap. If he's gonna be spending money to build a block to support his goal of 500 WHP, then I'm not gonna tell him to slap on a half-assed setup like an FMU and AFC and be done with it.

 

I was simply stating an option for people viewing this thread... If you wanna bitch about my statement, then bitch. In no way did I call your uberdata/hondata setups "half-assed" or anything similar.... Nor did I call it WAY TOO HALF ASSIN EXPENSIVE!11!!.... I just simply stated that it will cost more.... By stating that, I was hoping someone trying to learn would come through and see there options. But I see you don't want that.

 

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I understand your issue with emissions but how can you talk about not having enough money for a good ems when you're planning on spending money on overpriced turbo kits to begin with? but regardless, both greddy and edelbrock come with fuel management better then an fmu.

 

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I understand your issue with emissions but how can you talk about not having enough money for a good ems when you're planning on spending money on overpriced turbo kits to begin with? but regardless, both greddy and edelbrock come with fuel management better then an fmu.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm buying it used.

"over priced turbo kits" = Emission legal

 

Emission legal kits = dont make good power till everything is upgraded

haha..j/k, but you can make most turbo kits "legal" just cant have anything open venting in the front of the car... ie bov's, wastegate dumptubes.

I've seen cars with drag kits pass emissions hahaa

also, over here, if an obd2 car is running an obd1 jumper and the obd2 plug doesnt read. the emissions person usually just stick the tail pipe sniffer on it.

 

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If you are gonna list an option like FMU and VAFC then you should at least post up the PROS and CONS of running that setup. I can think of one or two CONS of the setup you listed, and it's the type of CON that'll blow your motor. The only real downside with UD,TE and Crome is it will leave your wallet a little lighter.