I am in the process of building a high compression ls vtec w/ nitrous. I need a unit that I can retard ignition timing on the fly. On the summit website I have found msd and crane make a ignition timing control mudules. From what I have read they both need to run a full aftermarket ignition system. Does anyone know of any timing controller that you dont need to use an entire aftermarket ignition system? I would be willing to use an external coil to make this work if I absolutly have to, but I do not want to use a complete msd (or the like) ignition system. Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This little gem plugs into your 28-pin socket that normally takes a 27C128 or 27C256. It has a single wire lead coming off of it. Put a 27SF512 chip in it, and switch the wire lead to chassis ground to switch between two separate programs! Comes with a 27SF512 chip.</TD></TR></TABLE>

$30!!

http://www.moates.net/product_...id=80


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MassScene &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I need a unit that I can retard ignition timing on the fly.</TD></TR></TABLE>

no you dont..

I'm not sure what your background is on socketing a honda ECU but this is what came to mind. a flick of a switch and you're running your nitrous chip.

way OT, but I'd also look in to a bottle heater to keep everything constant with a 'tuned' nitrous setup.

 

good info 2point2!!! Thanks! Only problem is I am running power fc, not a factory ecu. but thanks!

 

The crane trc can run off your stock ignition

 

all MSD boxes can run on a stock ignition

 

that's not what he is asking. He does not want to run a aftermarket ignition.

BTW, TRC stands for Timing retard control no ignition boxes needed to use it.





Modified by DRAGLS at 5:11 PM 10/16/2006

 

I wonder if there is a similar chip like what 2point2 posted that allows you to switch between 2 chips...

 

I would look into the jacobs mastermind controller. It has alot of functions but you need to pretty good with wiring, to install it I guess. I am getting it once I get all my nitrous stuff together.

 

thanks guys for all the feed back. i will look into that trc and the mastermind as well.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tegasaurus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wonder if there is a similar chip like what 2point2 posted that allows you to switch between 2 chips...</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm not sure what you mean?

The device I posted uses 1 chip (with more memory) to switch between '2 programs' (2 bin files).

 

i went through the same dilemma as you. i went ahead and got the msd 6al, blaster coil, and the start/retard box. i couldnt be happier, it works flawlessly, and doesnt have any ***** or anything. you just put in the pill and it triggers retard off the nitrous solenoid.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2point2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

no you dont..

I'm not sure what your background is on socketing a honda ECU but this is what came to mind. a flick of a switch and you're running your nitrous chip.

way OT, but I'd also look in to a bottle heater to keep everything constant with a 'tuned' nitrous setup. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Nice find man, that is great.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MassScene &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">good info 2point2!!! Thanks! Only problem is I am running power fc, not a factory ecu. but thanks!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sell it and go with someone like Hondata or AEM EMS.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Sell it and go with someone like Hondata or AEM EMS.</TD></TR></TABLE> I thought someone would say something like that. I could sell it but it works great. Its not the best for nitrous but I found a timing controller for 149 dollars that will suit my needs. besides I got a pretty good deal on it and the cars that run it in my area have no problems with it. The only problem i have with it is how strict apex is with it. i cant tune it on my own inless i use the commander which is sucky. luckily my tuner is a power excel dealer!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2point2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not sure what you mean?

The device I posted uses 1 chip (with more memory) to switch between '2 programs' (2 bin files).</TD></TR></TABLE>

ohh, i thought by 2 programs earlier that was 1) the stock ecu and 2) the saved binary map... makes more sense now.

so with that chip, you save 2 bins onto the chip -- and with the ground wire grounded, you're running bin (1) and with it not grounded it runs bin (2)?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tegasaurus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so with that chip, you save 2 bins onto the chip -- and with the ground wire grounded, you're running bin (1) and with it not grounded it runs bin (2)?</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's exactly what it sounds like to me.. however, I only know about the product - I've never used it. Moates.net is an excellent place to buy Honda ECU related gizmos..

 

the power fc is an ignition controller. tune with it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wantboost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the power fc is an ignition controller. tune with it</TD></TR></TABLE> your right but it does not have the capability to have two different maps. the car will not always be run on nitrous.

 

hrm,
your only option would be neptune or aem, or something to that effect
the haltech e6x has dual maps

 

Well i got an option that didint cost me any money. E manage ultimate. It has the capabilities to have two seperate maps (one race and one street) which is exactly what I am looking for. it didnt cost me any money because i traded it for my power fc. e manage is brand new in the box! if this **** sucks i am going to bite the bullet and get AEM

 

you need the support tool to be ablt to unlock it
also, the emanage dual maps are already used for the vtec crossover. so what are you going to do now?

 

I dont understand what you mean. as far as I know you can have 2 completely different maps. both include before and after vtec changeover.

 

ah, its the ultimate. i didnt see that part

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wantboost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ah, its the ultimate. i didnt see that part </TD></TR></TABLE> damn i just got so pissed. i thought i traded a one computer that didnt suit my needs for another computer that didint suit my needs!!! lol