<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ej8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is just like ******* honda-tech, nevermind sorry I asked....wasn't looking to be told something can't or shouldn't be done..... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah! It's just like ******* Honda-Tech to try and steer someone away from doing the wrong thing. People have no right to tell you when you're doing something wrong or dangerous. I hate that ****! Who do they think they are, your parents?
If you want to blow your **** up trying to prove something stupid, then you should be able to, without people telling you not to do it. Go for it dude!

 

expletive it I give up, I was not asking for advice I know how to build and tune turbo motors, trust me I've done Hondas and BMWs with great results, and yes, I've always tuned in larger injectors everytime like I am going to do with my car. I just wanted to see what I could do with the stock injectors at a higher fuel pressure and its working GREAT and at only 85-90% duty cycle, If an injector fails (which running at only 85-90% and WAY less pressure than all those FMU setups, I dont see happening...)and stick open or something I will instantly know on my wideband that I run 100% of the time and I will shut it down. If it locks the motor up expletive it I dont care,motors are cheap and I have 3 more in the garage...at least I didn't follow the honda-tech bandwagon and tried something different for a change

Grow up people and stop trying to school everyone, especially if you have NO personal experience doing this or any real tuning for that matter.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ej8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is just like ******* honda-tech, nevermind sorry I asked....wasn't looking to be told something can't or shouldn't be done, just want RAW NUMBERS. People boost on shitty fmu's and stock injectors to well over 100psi fuel pressures (pretty much every turbo kit out there and many custom setups), but much more power can be made at lower fuel pressures when you actually tune the fuel tables. Like I said before I am ALREADY at 8psi boost with 85-90% duty cycle with 74-76psi, rich tune, so haters go away. I don't care how much you "read", I just care about people with ACTUAL EXPERIENCE which 90% of people that make comments on honda-tech have NO EXPERIENCE </TD></TR></TABLE>

Wow long rant for what, you wanna be the fastest coolest highest hp making dood on stock injectors? Well congrats you got it, you are king guy with stock injectors now go post it on every forum well, minus the coolest part.


I guess none of us understand the point. I mean its a loose, loose situation. Kinda like the whole smartest kid in the special classes theory.

 

I can care less about being the "coolest guy", I just wanted to see what some other guys have made, MY BAD. Everyone is always bragging what they make on stock motors all the time, figured I'd add something to the mix

Oh well, mods close the tread

 

Raw numbers? I was probably putting down at least 160whp on my b16-t on fmu and 240s..

 

Cool, sounds good and thanks for not being an *******

 

I remember that..that was at abacus right

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ej8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...at least I didn't follow the honda-tech bandwagon and tried something different for a change

Grow up people and stop trying to school everyone, especially if you have NO personal experience doing this or any real tuning for that matter.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Something different? Or something nostalgic, because we were running FMU setups 12 years ago. It's not different if everyone has tried it and moved on. Maybe you wanna try putting a carburator on your car and running a blow-through turbo setup, "just to be different".

Tuning an FMU isn't rocket science. You just turn a screw.

 

i made 252whp on a all stock b16a3..at 10psi...
drag kit ith vortec fmu...

and i am about to do a ls on a fmu and missing link...around 12psi..

 

on a NOS build 1700anddropping made like 400whp+ on a ls/vtec...with just rods and psitons....stock injestors....
he ran 6.80 in a 8th....thats fast as ****

 

That's what I'm talking about, and yeah 6.80's are awesome!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Muckman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> hell 550s max out at 350. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Ah i beg to differ, i put down 355whp on 525cc injectors and they were only at 79% duty cycle

 

I welded some charge pipes for a guy that ran 14psi on a 14b/Z6 using an FMU. Lasted for like 4 months until he raced someone up the summit. 4th gear and boom.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ej8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can care less about being the "coolest guy", I just wanted to see what some other guys have made, MY BAD. Everyone is always bragging what they make on stock motors all the time, figured I'd add something to the mix

Oh well, mods close the tread</TD></TR></TABLE>


you can close thread yourself

go to your first post....edit....click delete

 

For those who don't understand, I am not running a FMU, I am running a base fuel pressure of 74-76psi @ WOT, that is the max my fuel pressure gets to which is not an issue

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ej8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's what I'm talking about, and yeah 6.80's are awesome!</TD></TR></TABLE>

his name is harv....it b doing some crazy thing's

 

99lspwr frank has made some rediculous 11sec passes in the old inline pump, fmu,btm setup. last time i talked to him, he was shooting for 17psi on the fmu with 310's.

his signature:

92 EG hatch/full interior (sold 8-2-04)
Retired @ 11.73@118 (18g/ls equipped)
---------------------------
93 eg hatch/ stock ls (t3/to4e 60 trim)
11.94@116, 1.78 60ft.....13 psi
fmu/btm/inline pump/ certified tuner..

i know i know. HE HASNT BLOWN UP AN ENGINE. it seems weird, but this setup for him works. ask anyone in delaware. his setups are freaks of nature.

 

first off, noone knows b/c none of us are that stupid

2nd off, the duty cycle has as much to do with the rpms the motor peaks at as it does the power. 300hp at 5000 rpm requires much less duty cycle than 300hp at 9500 rpms. rpms eat up duty as fast as power does.

so..... there is no answer to your question.

now, go blow ur motor up

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boostedcivicsir &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">99lspwr frank has made some rediculous 11sec passes in the old inline pump, fmu,btm setup. last time i talked to him, he was shooting for 17psi on the fmu with 310's.

his signature:

92 EG hatch/full interior (sold 8-2-04)
Retired @ 11.73@118 (18g/ls equipped)
---------------------------
93 eg hatch/ stock ls (t3/to4e 60 trim)
11.94@116, 1.78 60ft.....13 psi
fmu/btm/inline pump/ certified tuner..

i know i know. HE HASNT BLOWN UP AN ENGINE. it seems weird, but this setup for him works. ask anyone in delaware. his setups are freaks of nature. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Yeah I did the same waaaaay back in 2000-2001, had a 2000 Civic Si, pistons and rod motor, Bosch pump 370cc injectors and Fields VTEC/Fuel Controller, FMU with 8:1 Disc in it ,I made 320whp on a Drag3 kit and went 12.0s full interior Si . When I got a Hondata it was a night and day difference though!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDogg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">first off, noone knows b/c none of us are that stupid

2nd off, the duty cycle has as much to do with the rpms the motor peaks at as it does the power. 300hp at 5000 rpm requires much less duty cycle than 300hp at 9500 rpms. rpms eat up duty as fast as power does.

so..... there is no answer to your question.

now, go blow ur motor up </TD></TR></TABLE>


Yes, this is true, it says it all in the fuel tables when you view them in "duty cycle"......I don't think some of you understand still, I'm not using a FMU --- im just using a higher base fuel pressure without a rising rate regulator and I'm actually TUNING the fuel maps (think Hondata, Chrome, etc.) on my laptop connected to my car via USB cable to the emulator. Runs very smooth as it should

 

I never even thought about running stock injectors (waste of time imo) so I would have no clue... but a friend on his ls motor with a drag kit/ fmu managed low 200's to the wheels @8-9 psi, like 7-8 years ago though so the numbers are hard to remember exactly (want to say a hair over 220 or so).

Agian no offense, but I never bothered with stock injectors, the afc and 450cc dsms was bad enough when I first was boosting.

 

well, my setup is better than FMU or AFC setups - 2 of the most common,so I don't see why people are so shunned from it. FMUs use over 100psi fuel pressure with no tuning and AFC setups advance your timing under boost, boost transition is usually not that smooth and "tuning" is very limited since you can't directly edit fuel/timing tables....I'm using full engine management and a little higher than stock fuel pressure, until I get my 510's rebuilt then I will drop fuel pressure back down and run more boost

 

on 240cc you'd have a hard time breaking into the 200whp range w/o jacking your fuel pressure WAY up.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Muckman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">. hell 550s max out at 350.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's what i've always thought too, but when i got tuned, i made 306whp and my duty cycle was only at about 68%....idk what to make of that

 

To avoid being flamed, you should have just asked what the highest fuel press a stock injector can handle is. Or any injector, either way. Or how about a saturated injector vs a peak and hold injector with a true peak and hold driver (not the bullshit resistor box)? Now I've become curious about this ****.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jared &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this is a suit NOT black</TD></TR></TABLE>

hahahha

wtf did this come from

but anyway its "this suit is NOT black"

hehe "her vagine hang like wizard sleeve"