Hello, HT. This is actually my first time posting on the Forced Induction forums. Anyways, I want you guys to take a look at some of the parts I plan on buying soon for my '94 B18C1 OBD1 GSR (installed on a 99 hatch). My engine is stock so far (120k miles), but i'll be getting either a Skunk2 Intake Mani or a G. Eagle manifold, aswell as some ARP head studs. My goal is 300whp minimum. [Budget ~$3500]

I did some research and read info on the forums here already. I read a lot about the Go-Autoworks turbo kit, and I plan on going with there street kit (http://www.go-autoworks-store.com/gostkit.html). I'll be getting the Turbonetics Custom T3/T04B .63 turbo option. Some of the posts I read here mentioned that they got 400whp on a stock gsr block with that kit! Which is why I don't plan on buying any rods/pistons, especially since i'm not that experienced with work like that.

Parts that are not included in the kit(which i'll be buying seperately) are:
Walbro 255 fuel pump
Neptune RTP demon package
Not quite sure which injectors to get. I'll be going with AUS 550cc (http://www.ausinjector.com/b56010-550-4/), Siemens 630cc (http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/107961-b-series-honda), or Grams 550cc.

What ECU did you guys use for your turbo setup? The S300 is pretty expensive, and I read on here that the Neptune rtp performs just aswell as Hondata. I have a stock P72 ECU, and I'm supposed to get it chipped, right? I was thinking of sending it in to phearable.net so they can take care of that . They can add 2step and what not if i send it to them.

I have yet to choose where I'll be getting it tuned.

So do you guys have any recommendations or advice for me regarding this setup? It's pretty basic because the kit covers most of the parts. If I get positive comments, then i'll be boosted soon Thanks for the read, I appreciate any comments you guys may have

 

Post some pics of your work as well.

 

I can't post up pics yet. I haven't bought any of the parts yet, that's why I want everyone's opinion first. I'll be uploading pics soon enough when I start getting things ready. Only thing I can post a picture of is my NA motor lol

 

Skip the kit

Piece a setup together.

With the money you saved pickup a used aem v2 setup. I see them all the time for 900 and less. A lot of kits in the classified forced induction section right now.

Run a flex fuel sensor and tune for e85.

That would be the most reliable way to run 400whp on a stock bottom end. You don't need anything aftermarket on your motor to hit 400whp either. Skip the intake manifold and keep it all stock and use your budget for a really nice turbo and ems.

 

not everyone has easy access to E85... for me it's a 60 mile round trip in a direction I never go. wish there was a station closer but even then there's only 5 stations around metro Atlanta, most of which are in random locations.

 

Ahhh!!

I always forget about that. Order a drum of e85 and call it a day.

Either way the aem ems is leaps better than s300 and chrome. Unless its a dedicated track car. Everyday driving the aem runs the car very close to stock.

 

I'm jealous of the people who can throw a rock from their house and hit 5 stations that sell E85

even a v1 aem is better, mine doesn't have any of the normal v1 issues and I got it for basically 40 bucks lol

 

Would I really save that much money by building my own setup? I just looked up the AEM ems and they are extremely pricy! I thought about E85, but I don't like the idea of going to certain gas stations only.

 

There's a gas station down my street that sells E85 lol. You're running the AEM v2?

 

If u can't make a car run like stock or at least real close to it on s300 you have no business anywhere near a laptop and a car.

That said complete kits do get a bit pricy u would likely save some cash and learn more from research by piecing together a kit

 

I agree that piecing a kit together is a much better option. If you're not opposed to used parts, the marketplace is full of good deals. I think you're on the right track though overall...you seem to know what is required and are asking insightful questions . Thats not common around here.

As for injectors, 550cc should suffice, but you could always go slightly larger in case you decide to use E85...it requires 30% more fuel volume so take that into account. For the EMS, Hondata S200 or S300 would be a great choice, but i have also heard good things about Neptune RTP. Personally, I ran Crome and CromePro on my setups and had no issues, although i dont know that I would suggest it

 

With the aem ems you just add add a flex fuel sensor and you can run both e85 and 91 (93). Either it be 50\50 of 80\20 the ecu takes care of it. Its a really nice feature.


. I went from s300 to aem and couldn't be happier.


Who knows. For a basic tune without being anybodys friend you aren't getting the full tune that you should.
I know you know what you're doing when it comes down to it. Have you tuned with aem before? I like everything its able to control and all the other anti lag and rev limiters it has. Soo many features over the other programs.

 

Well I'm not the one doing the tune myself. I have no experience tuning a car whatsoever, which is why i'm taking it to get tuned. I know some people who can refer me to a good tuner around the LA/OC area.

I'll try piecing my own setup, and if it comes out to be cheaper then i'll go with a custom kit Thanks for your input.

 

Thanks a lot! It's good to know i'm headed in the right direction. I might go E85 when I'm more experienced with tuning/being boosted. I'm just trying to get a decent turbo setup going. I'll do some more research on the ems. If I have enough money left over, then i'll go Hondata

 

take a barrel or 2 on that 60 mile round trip.

 

I will also say that piecing together a kit is much cheaper. I spent just at $2k so far. But in there I got injectors, the pump, a traction bar, wideband, ect. A lot of stuff that doesn't come with the GAW kit. Also, I bought a GAW turbo (Garret T3, 57 trim they have on their website) for $400 basically brand new. Someone bought their kit, installed it, melted their motor on stock internals, sold the kit off.

 

I would need to carry 10+ gallons of fuel extra when I left thr house (unless I went flex.fuel)

my average drive, per time leaving the house, is 50+ miles, on Friday and Saturday night's I'll do over 200 miles a night just going to le partays lol

besides I should be able to make the power I want on 93 and a metric **** ton of meth injection, 70/30 mix. I'd run a minimum of a 5 gallon meth tank.


I have an aem v1, I like it much better than any Honda based ecu I've ever used. although for my civic I'm about to get a megasquirt 3 pro, it spanks any Hondata or aem product and has the functionality of motec units (best part is coil on plug with no extra box and a real canbus system). I'll run the MS3 pro on the high power car and use the aem on my dd obd1 accord.

after playing with all of the various tuning systems (even other stock ecu based programs like HPTuners) it makes me laugh at just how limited a Honda ecu is. granted software has come a long way for them but the ecu will limit any software.

 

about 11 years ago my friend had an e30 bmw that we boosted, it ran megasquirt. it had to be like the original version we had to solder the **** together ourselves. it made my uberdata look like the second coming of jesus lol. **** has definitely changed

 

Do you have a build thread of your setup? 2k is a good price. I was making a list of some of the parts i was going to get, and it ended up costing more than the kit lol

 

BUMP

Would anyone like to share what they spent on their turbo setup (not including tune), and what parts they used? I'm looking at $3K+ if i go with setup I originally posted.

 

yea they've really stepped it up, the pro unit will run a coil on plug v8 to 20,000rpm reliably and with perfect resolution using a 36-1 trigger wheel

here's the link
http://www.diyautotune.com/ms3-pro.html

to the OP, don't use the stock oil pressure sender port as a feedline, you'll be sending unfiltered oil into the turbo which can severely damage the CHRA. get a sandwich plate so you can give the turbo filtered oil

if you must run a feedline from that port make sure you install an inline filter before the turbo to clean the oil. you can find units on eBay that accept an connections and are able to be taken apart for cleaning

 

I'll chime in abit since I was once in your shoes once

The parts I would never buy used is pretty much the turbo it self

Injectors you can look for used just make sure to get them flow tested and cleaned

Waste gate and bov can also be bought used just test for leaks before assembling

Manifold can definitely be bought used,again just test to make sure the flat surfaces are flat so there won't be any leaks. This goes for down pipe too.

Cold side piping I would honestly get a cx racing kit or something cheap. Aluminum piping is really hard to mess up

Other than those just hoses,gauges,couplers ,clamps and you should be good to go!