How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle?
07-20-2002, 06:47 AM
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Re: How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle? (integra-modder)
I have taken stock block GSR up to 25lbs and mostly run my car @ 22lbs for 3 years now ! http://www.inlinepro.com
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07-20-2002, 01:09 PM
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Re: How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle? (quickspoolin)
bone stock rods, pistions , rings etc....even factory head bolts only thing done to the motor was an inline PRO headgasket and cam gears to correct timing back to stock once the head gaket was done , becasue it was thicker and it throws off timming
07-20-2002, 10:41 PM
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Re: How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle? (Cramerox)
yea, 25 pounds? what compressor is this on? seems waaaay too outrageous to me, then again, i hardly know anything about FI.
what do the others think of this?
what do the others think of this?
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07-20-2002, 10:49 PM
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Re: How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle? (Cramerox)
I have seen atleast 4 civic hatches around here that has run 20+ pounds on stock rods, Karl, , Stan,Kevin, and John, all with thicker headgaskets, and afc 440's and a fmu with walbro, Karls motor was pushing 140K and ran 11.3'a with stock b18c power, Jason
07-21-2002, 07:26 AM
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Re: How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle? (JMR898)
bone stock rods, pistions , rings etc....even factory head bolts only thing done to the motor was an inline PRO headgasket and cam gears to correct timing back to stock once the head gaket was done , becasue it was thicker and it throws off timming
Yeah Inline Pro is the best
07-21-2002, 03:06 PM
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Re: How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle? (On Point EK!!!!!!!!)
i have a friend who's thinking about dropping in a 1st gen b16a in his 93 civic or a b18b in his civic and he's wondeing with the b18b how much boost is it going to take to get it in the mid-low 12's and with 1st gen b16a what would he have to change to get it in his car beside the ecu and tranny and how much boost would it take to do it
07-21-2002, 05:01 PM
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Re: How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle? (eagle2)
Im shotting for around 300-350 whp daily driven, do you guys think I should upgrade my rods and play it safe or stick to stock?
07-23-2002, 02:55 AM
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Re: How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle? (integra-modder)
I would do rods for that much hp but that is just me, if you have killer tuning then you might be able to pull it off but it would be pushing it IMO.
07-23-2002, 10:10 AM
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Re: How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle? (mskibbz)
im getting eagle rods and ROSS pistons, shoting for 9.1 compression...
got to find a good head gasket, any suggestions?
got to find a good head gasket, any suggestions?
07-23-2002, 11:52 AM
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Re: How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle? (integra-modder)
stock rods...shotpeened and magnafluxed...with arp bolts will handle 450 hp
07-23-2002, 08:20 PM
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Re: How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle? (forcfedcivic)
stock rods...shotpeened and magnafluxed...with arp bolts will handle 450 hp
but what does the "shotpeened and magnafluxed" precesses consist of?
07-23-2002, 08:23 PM
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Re: How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle? (integra-modder)
stock headgasket will be fine allmost all high output hondas use stock headgaskets, with arp studs some using custom 1/2inch studs,Jason
07-24-2002, 06:19 AM
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Re: How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle? (integra-modder)
If you Feel you must use pistons and rods with an 9.1 ratio then use the OEM stock headgasket.
but for any power under 450 then u don't need all that , just use a thicker headgasket to drop compression.
but for any power under 450 then u don't need all that , just use a thicker headgasket to drop compression.
07-24-2002, 10:05 AM
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Re: How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle? (JMR898)
so then i should skip the pistons and rods? and just get an inline pro gasket?
can I push 350 HP with stock rods and pistons? around 18 pounds?
can I push 350 HP with stock rods and pistons? around 18 pounds?
07-24-2002, 10:11 AM
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Re: How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle? (integra-modder)
Who is going to tune your set-up and how good are they? Like Jinx said, if tuned properly stock parts can hold the power. However, if tuned poorly and/or abused, even a fully built engine can fail.
07-24-2002, 10:31 AM
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Re: How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle? (integra-modder)
when they shot peen a rod they do a process similiar to sand blasting...but with small metal beads...it smoothes out the metal...and stress relieves the metal which increases strength and life of the part... then maganfluxing they coat the rod with a substance and inspect it for cracks or flaws . also called magnetic particle inspection. prices vary from place to place...but its inexpensive compared to buying aftermarket rods. and if you dont plan on going over 450 hp or so...its a wise chioce.
07-24-2002, 07:18 PM
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Re: How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle? (DSF)
when they shot peen a rod they do a process similiar to sand blasting...but with small metal beads...it smoothes out the metal...and stress relieves the metal which increases strength and life of the part... then maganfluxing they coat the rod with a substance and inspect it for cracks or flaws . also called magnetic particle inspection. prices vary from place to place...but its inexpensive compared to buying aftermarket rods. and if you dont plan on going over 450 hp or so...its a wise chioce.
how much does something like that run?
Who is going to tune your set-up and how good are they? Like Jinx said, if tuned properly stock parts can hold the power. However, if tuned poorly and/or abused, even a fully built engine can fail.
Would you guys suggest to get rods and pistons or thick gasket???
07-25-2002, 02:53 AM
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Re: How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle? (integra-modder)
The way I now view things is ike this.... Doing the minimum is not acceptable. Doing what is needed will get you by. Doing things to the max is just enough.
...And you can never go overboard.
(and I don't use this philosophy on just cars)
[Modified by DSF, 6:55 AM 7/25/2002]
...And you can never go overboard.
(and I don't use this philosophy on just cars)
[Modified by DSF, 6:55 AM 7/25/2002]
07-25-2002, 03:48 AM
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Re: How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle? (Matthew)
Your right. But stock components are stronger than most tend to believe. Just ask Jinx...
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07-25-2002, 05:50 AM
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Re: How much boost can stock B18C1 rods handle? (Matthew)
you re right but , I must say that we are not saying we run 22lbs of boost and only making 240 hp , I am saying that we can run 22lbs and make anywhere from 360hp to 400hp on a stock block and Just a thicker headgasket in the motor. But it is true that none of this means anything if you have the car tunned by the wrong person, because no mater what you have " Full built or bone stock " improper tunning and install and also the lack of fuel will destroy ANY motor.
and also we have also proved that the sleves in the honda motors are strong as hell as well becasue our race car dyno'ed over 600hp to the wheels on stock sleves , and yes of course that motor does have aftermarket pistions and rods but it also has stock sleves and has been running on them for a bit now.
I trust Honda OEM parts far more then most any other aftermarket part.
and what blows my mind is that ( people that are building a car that might never see the track and only want's maybe 10lbs or so , Spend all this big money on a fully built block and head etc,etc........when they never needed to In the first place , just becasue they read or heard somewhere that " THIS GUY PUT A TURBO ON AND IT BLEW HIS CAR UP IN A FEW DAYS "
I would bet money on it that they is a good reason why that happened like
1- it was installed wrong
2- tunned wrong
3-turned the boost up with out any fuel upgrade or proper adjustment
4-the list goes on and on and on....
Bottom line Is YES you can run a daily driven car b-motor on a stock block @10lb -14lbs on pump gas and on race gas you can run up to 25lbs !!!
so there is no need to build the block if you are never going to see past 14lbs at all.
and also we have also proved that the sleves in the honda motors are strong as hell as well becasue our race car dyno'ed over 600hp to the wheels on stock sleves , and yes of course that motor does have aftermarket pistions and rods but it also has stock sleves and has been running on them for a bit now.
I trust Honda OEM parts far more then most any other aftermarket part.
and what blows my mind is that ( people that are building a car that might never see the track and only want's maybe 10lbs or so , Spend all this big money on a fully built block and head etc,etc........when they never needed to In the first place , just becasue they read or heard somewhere that " THIS GUY PUT A TURBO ON AND IT BLEW HIS CAR UP IN A FEW DAYS "
I would bet money on it that they is a good reason why that happened like
1- it was installed wrong
2- tunned wrong
3-turned the boost up with out any fuel upgrade or proper adjustment
4-the list goes on and on and on....
Bottom line Is YES you can run a daily driven car b-motor on a stock block @10lb -14lbs on pump gas and on race gas you can run up to 25lbs !!!
so there is no need to build the block if you are never going to see past 14lbs at all.