440cc injectors, 12:1 FMU, AFC, 255lph pump on stock honda internals? I have everything to set my car up like this and I am even using their head gasket and block gaurd but even on stock fuel presure the car runs sick rich with the hack at 11psi? so how do they do it?

 

did you lean it out?

 

Get rid of the FMU

 

i dont beleive they are running the hack. From my understanding, they are just using a basick FMU setup, but using the vafc to fine tune it.
I could be wrong though.

 

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because it works.i used the same setup on my car for a while and it worked fine.

 

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They dont use the hack. I almost have the same setup except I added an inline fuel pump for the fmu and using a 4:1 disk. My narrow throttle is set at -45. So maybe set it at that for normal driving and you won't run rich.

 

U guys are right, they dont run the hack.....Once you have everything installed, u have to get it tuned....Believe me it works.....11.2 stock motor (head, block, you know the deal)...It does take a bit of practice to learn how to drive it but other than that, it works fine... this was with the 12:1FMU...

 

Using an inline pump and a 4:1 fmu is better than just running a 12:1 fmu because it is safer.

 

i dont know how it isnt really rich either.

 

no I am runnin the hack now and want to step it up. I was planning on this set up at first and have everything I need just don't have the FMU or missing link on yet. I am building the motor over winter so I figure why no give it a shot now. I know this set up works and works well as said in the posts above of the guys who ran it. I have the cartech FMU so I can set it at whatever I want just give me a ball park of what boost I would have to run to lean it out to the point I could drive the car to work and home and maybe out to the movies or whatever. basically I want t a daily driver. is that set up hard to do that with? anyone who has done it please let me know I want 12's before the end of summer and that is the only way I will get there.....by the way the hack sucks from my experiece with it

 

The SAFC hack provides extra fuel. The FMU provides extra fuel. Hack + FMU = too much fuel @ 11 psi. Run one or the other, but not both.

Also, you're not using missing link with the AFC hack are you?

- wei

 

I guess very few know how this system works. stan, jinxproof where are you. I know you guys ran it and I went back to old threads and jinx gave me a ballpark on the settings for the afc.

WC- I am runnin the hack now......I want to ditch the hack and use the set up inline pro uses on it's cars which is 12:1FMU, 440cc injectors, 255lph fuel pump, missing link,and AFC. many are goin to 1 bar on pump gas and up to 1.5bar on race gas. I want to set up for 1 bar on pump gas then just turn up the boost on race fuel

 

A lot of people doubt this setup but I have done it along with the few guys on here and it works..

I ran 15psi on 110 octane gas with some basic street egt tuning With the components that you listed (440s, 12:1 fmu, missing link, vafc, 2.7mm hg, 255lph fuel pump) on these approximate settings, please don't just take these settings put them in and try to run 15psi with them sence every motor is different you need to find your own fuel settings to make the car run the way you want it to.
These settings will allow your car to start up and get your car drivable with a richer tune and I would say 10psi max.

Stock B18C1 with inline pro head gasket

1000rpm -38
2000rpm -34
3000rpm -30
4000rpm -27
5000rpm -23
6000rpm -14
7000rpm -14
8000rpm -12
9000rpm -12

If you have an LS motor and your trying to do the same thing all you have to do is lean out 1000rpm to -45 and 2000rpm to -40 and that will get your car running.

PS: The gsr setting are on a 60-1 turbo..
The LS I'm trying this on right now has a fully built motor but has an fmu and all of the other crap on it..

Adi

 

Dang Adi...I always see you reply to every single thread about this sort of setup or inline pro headgasket related topics.

 

Yes they love to run the fmu up at inline pro. They do seem to load up with fuel before boost though. Or atleast the cars I have heard from inline load up.

 

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Your not planning on runing this without tuning the car are you? I would hate to see you spend on this money on building the engine only to destroy it with some generic (or *** dyno) settings that you hope are correct or close to.

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Please tell me that your joking! Leaning out the air/fuel ratio by runing more boost .....I'm sure it will lean out your top end quite nicely but what about the low end and mid range? are you just going to run excessivly rich until there is enough air to properly mix with the fuel?

 

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My friend has this set up on his stock b20 and he put down 293 whp and 282 torque at 12 psi....

 

this is on a ITR motor with the 3mm HG and block gaurd. ohh and a smaller turbo by far (18G) I would like to go for a bar on pump gas with the timing dialed back a good bit and keep the EGT's at 800-850 degrees C. point is if it runs too rich I can dial back my FMU ratio cause it is adjustable. I think to get the car on the road with this set up I will use the EGT to get a ballpark on the rich side and go from there. adi if you have anything else that might help me let me know.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITR41 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this is on a ITR motor with the 3mm HG and block gaurd. ohh and a smaller turbo by far (18G) I would like to go for a bar on pump gas with the timing dialed back a good bit and keep the EGT's at 800-850 degrees C. point is if it runs too rich I can dial back my FMU ratio cause it is adjustable. I think to get the car on the road with this set up I will use the EGT to get a ballpark on the rich side and go from there. adi if you have anything else that might help me let me know.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I wouldnt run 14.5 lbs of boost on pump gas. Thats cutting it really close. Jinx recommended me to run 12-13 psi max on shitty 91 octane.

 

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I wouldnt run 14.5 lbs of boost on pump gas. Thats cutting it really close. Jinx recommended me to run 12-13 psi max on shitty 91 octane.</TD></TR></TABLE>

east coast ownz joo .....I use 94 octane so even 13psi I would be happy

 

I have my setup for sale if anyone is inerested....

https://honda-tech.com/zero...40026

and it does work.....11.2 stock motor should prove that...

 

I have the same setup on my car and it works just fine no problems at all these guys know there stuff

 

after work tomorrow or friday I am goin to try it out and let you know how it works.

 

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I wouldnt run 14.5 lbs of boost on pump gas. Thats cutting it really close. Jinx recommended me to run 12-13 psi max on shitty 91 octane.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I run 14.7lbs daily with 93 octane. Same exact FMU setup. Car ran 11.76 at only 16lbs.

 

is a warlboro intank good enough for these setups?