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Off topic but.. whats your opinion on the Apexi PFC?
I heard you dont have to mess with it when the outside temp changes a lot (might be bs ).

 

i've heard of a damm good hondata tuner in santa fe, and we are almost a tuner in denver. ri'ght now I've got 6 people runing a hondata, aound 3 running an aem, soon to be 0. the aem is a damm good product, just like the haltec, but you've gota like tinkering. we just droped a built si 18psi in a hach, and on the first try, with a base map, it ran like stock. only with power, were about to aquire a wideband o2, and with probubly 2-3 hours of street and dyno tuning, it will be diald in ****. like i said before, ive ran an fmu, the e-manage, the afc, and a hondata. i'll stick with the later.

 

K.I.S.S., in which case Hondata it is!

 

simple, Hondata.
The AEM i'm learning but i'll tell you, it would cost a person an arm, a leg and at least one other body part to get it tuned right. If its your car and you're gonna learn to do it yourself, go for the AEM. But only if you want a very unreliably tuned street car that will change with the weather.

 

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I wouldn't trust anyone in AZ to touch my car.

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then come visit us. I wouldnt trust anybody who makes a statement like that to touch my, or my customers cars. No matter what state they are in...

 

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then come visit us. I wouldnt trust anybody who makes a statement like that to touch my, or my customers cars. No matter what state they are in...</TD></TR></TABLE>

I didn't see any mention of tuning on your site so I assumed you guys didn't offer that service to walk in customers. Locash doesn't turn from what I've heard. Street flight is basically tune it yourself. Technodyne is high roller Porsches. So i thought i'd learn myself.

I was not aware that you guys tuned.

 

how about **** a AEM and **** a hondata, real men run Power FC

 

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Off topic but.. whats your opinion on the Apexi PFC?
I heard you dont have to mess with it when the outside temp changes a lot (might be bs ).</TD></TR></TABLE>

Absolutely no experience.

You ship it to my door, it'll take me three days to get a decent impression + ship it back to you. I'm not kidding, either - Hyundaidata and EMS are loaners so I can do homemadeturbo.com writeups.

 

The shop on my island says they never tuned hondata before but have tuned other things like the ems, you think if I bought the programmable one they would be able to tune it????? If not only alternative for me is using vafc goin like 15psi

 

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Church, from what I have seen, does a extremely good job on hondata.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Church Automotive is awesome!
He knows his ****!

 

I'd go Hondata all the way if I were you.
Vic

 

I would definatly go hondata, i used aem and would not recommend it to anyone. It works great for some people, but i think that it is ironic that aem just now released its full 1.0 version of their software. They use us as their guinea pigs for testing rather than testing their own units...

 

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Yeah and that is pretty ******* sad considering the size of company AEM is. They could have spent the time and money and kept the damn thing in the R&D dept until it was really finished rather than half-assing it like many companies nowadays do in order to throw in out on the market *cough* JRSC *cough*.

 

If anyone wants good Hondata tuning, call Chad at RandD Motorsports in Charleston, SC, 843-760-4804. He does an awesome job at tuning Power FC.

 

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no way in hell i would tune my car with that **** box

 

I've tuned a ton of different cars, with more set ups than you could imagine. I would put Hondata's software and interface up there with any of them. I have often thought how I could manage to get a Honda distributor on other applications lol.

 

7X10 mini lathe is your friend.

I know of one going onto a 4A-GE right now.

 

im here down south and im beginning to like Hyuanchuadatter one
looks like it'll getterdone

 

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he REALLY is serious. He has Pest's stage 4 and EMS

if it were between the AEM and the hondcrapa, i'd go with the AEM. Right now I'm being talked out of the AEM.......for a stock ecu, pls shoot me</TD></TR></TABLE>

Bang you are dead

Rob

 

Rob is dead. Long live Rob.

GSRswaphitmeintheheadandnowi'mslow is just looking for forced induction management and traction control. Who needs an EMS for that?

 

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The only good Hondata tuner is in Michingan, huh

 

Just my $.02- I love my AEM EMS, it has been a bad *** system and I have had very few problems. I think the key is to get a really good tune initially by a competent tuner and then learn it on your own sweet time. I went to L&R Racing in Port Coquitlam, B.C. and Lowell did a great job making my car run very well. I have since learned to tweak some things on my own, I would not recommend trying to tackle the initial tune all on your own unless you have tuning experience. Getting it to idle, cold start, etc... are known to be difficult, leave that to the pros and you can learn at your own pace. I have heard a lot of great things about Hondata as well, there is no overall best system, just a system that is best for you... Good luck!

 

Fact - My car ran much better when it was all said and done w/ the EMS, then it did with Hondata.

However, Vaportrail (who tuned my hondata) before i did my own tuning w/ the EMS, spent maybe 1/5th of the time tuning the hondata, as i spent tuning the EMS. Main reason was because I made sure every single fuel cell was perfect AFR, which is pretty hard to do w/ hondata because you have to keep burning chips...


Both systems are damn good, and like previously stated, some people's needs are so different when it comes to standalones

 

with the hondata, and a wideband o2 (any pro tuner should have one) you can do auto tuning. just fill in the target lambata, and let it do the rest. and with the emulator you can make changes on the fly, then burn only one chip when u are finished.

 

the aem ems does the same thing, i had it working for a while until my ems fried up, three times