Wassup guys i have some questions concerning hondata. I plan on running the s200 with boost and i'm just wondering which options are necessary. I know i'm going to need boost, datalogging, romulator, and programmer. But i'm not sure if i need the launch control and full throttle shift are necessary? Some one please shine some more light on this.

 

If you want to tune the S200B yourself, you will need:

S200B
Datalogging
RomEditor software
Pocket Programmer

Launch control is for drag racing. You'll have decide if you want that.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ben@importparts.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you want to tune the S200B yourself, you will need:

S200B
Datalogging
RomEditor software
Pocket Programmer

Launch control is for drag racing. You'll have decide if you want that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

is it worth it? the lauch control

 

Only if you drag race.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ben@importparts.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you want to tune the S200B yourself, you will need:

S200B
Datalogging
RomEditor software
Pocket Programmer
</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you don't want to tune it yourself you need:
S200B

And the money you save on equipment, you can spend on professional tuning. I'm all for DIY, I am just offering a perspective.

-PHiZ

 

thats the exact answer i needed to know aswell. ill just go with s200 with boost, then im getting mine professionally tuned

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PHiZ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

If you don't want to tune it yourself you need:
S200B

And the money you save on equipment, you can spend on professional tuning. I'm all for DIY, I am just offering a perspective.

-PHiZ</TD></TR></TABLE>

unless you change things around quite a bit. then you're looking at $300 per tune any time you change something. if you're serious and do a lot of work AND want to learn to tune (assuming you CAN figure it out), then buying the editing software is worth it. besides, you can charge your buddies to tune their cars and make some money back if you're gonna tune it and leave it forever, then no need to waste the money on the software.

 

awsome feedback, thanks guys

 

ok; question. what about the 3bar map senor? does it come with the s200?

 

bump for more feedback

 

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no.

 

well i want the same s200, but why wouldnt my tuner need the extra software as opposed to doing it myself? And if my tuner does it all, is there any use for more than the base program?

 

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not sure what you're asking, but: your tuner should already have the software. you only need the software if you want to learn to tune it yourself (you're still gonna need a dyno or a looooooong, safe stretch of road). the base program is just that, a base. he starts with the base map, then tweaks it according to what your car needs. is that what you meant by "base program"? or do you mean the base S200 unit, meaning just the unit; no datalog, ROM editor, etc?? if you are taking it to a tuner all you need is the S200 w/boost option. those are NECESSARY. if you plan on running more than 11psi, then you will also need a GM 3 bar MAP sensor. does any of that help with what you were asking?

 

yea, that sounds good.it makes sense to me. will my tuner be able to use the same software from his hondata 4b? or will i have to by all new equipment with my hondata s200?

 

Ok, I haven't read every post in this thread but I thought I would give my personal experience. I had never tuned a car before getting Hondata. After realizing I live in the boonies with no Hondata tuners around me, I decided to tackle this myself. Boy, am I glad I did. If you want to tune yourself, You need:
1) S200
2) Boost Option if you are boosted
3) Pocket Programmer (Burns the final chip)
4) RomEditor Software
5) Hondalogger Software
6) Wideband Setup
7) Romulator (Optional but HIGHLY recommended. Cuts tuning time in half, at least.)
8) Laptop
9) 3 bar Map is only needed if you are boosting over 11lbs.

My car was fully tuned by myself all on the street. I did 4th gear pulls on the country roads using my Hondata G sensor, I could get some dyno's to see how the changes were doing.

HTH

 

^^^ good info, isn't it alot harder tuning it without a dyno? lol

 

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No, just not as legal.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kaj &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">unless you change things around quite a bit. then you're looking at $300 per tune any time you change something.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Goddamn, that's an assraping. Going by some of the pricier tuning services I've seen regionally, $150/hr for experienced dyno tuning is pretty much the max you'd spend. If somebody just wanted something small changed, no retuning or dyno involved, such as revlimit, FTL, or VTEC setting, I think most shops would let you buy them a six pack for the "hassle." Especially if you spent your money with said shop for the dyno tuning in the first place.

I'm with PHiZ, I support the grassroots DIY stuff wholeheartedly as it is cheaper, as robust, and requires you to understand what is going on under the hood of your car. But, Hyundaidata is a very solid well thought out product... and I have met a number of Hyundaidata tuners who are very knowledgible and very reputable guys. If you wish to purchase and have someone else tune your car so you have no hassles, it is a very good option. The Honda ECU doesn't **** itself every 12 miles like AEM's EMS, for example. Gotta love that OEM quality, something completely lacking in the aftermarket.

 

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Goddamn, that's an assraping. Going by some of the pricier tuning services I've seen regionally, $150/hr for experienced dyno tuning is pretty much the max you'd spend. If somebody just wanted something small changed, no retuning or dyno involved, such as revlimit, FTL, or VTEC setting, I think most shops would let you buy them a six pack for the "hassle." Especially if you spent your money with said shop for the dyno tuning in the first place.

I'm with PHiZ, I support the grassroots DIY stuff wholeheartedly as it is cheaper, as robust, and requires you to understand what is going on under the hood of your car. But, Hyundaidata is a very solid well thought out product... and I have met a number of Hyundaidata tuners who are very knowledgible and very reputable guys. If you wish to purchase and have someone else tune your car so you have no hassles, it is a very good option. The Honda ECU doesn't **** itself every 12 miles like AEM's EMS, for example. Gotta love that OEM quality, something completely lacking in the aftermarket.</TD></TR></TABLE>

small changes are done free of charge. you are correct. but if you change something major and you have to start over (not able to use your original program) then you have to pay again. where i went it was about $150/hr with a $400 cap. since we don't have fancy, adjustable timing gears or anything else, it was straight forward and took less time. ended up paying $300. again, small changes (cleaning up anything from the original program) are free any time i want to go back. in his words: customer satisfaction is #1.
my friends and i were going to chip in on the hondata software ( $1500 devided by 5 of us would equal $300 each. same as tuning, but we could street tune aaaaaaall day if we wanted, charge other people to tune their cars, and make changes whenever we wanted), but not everyone had the money when we needed to tune. so, we bit the bullet and two of us just paid. at least we got some dyno graphs to go along with it, along with nice explanations of what we were seeing and what was being done. shawn church gets a HUGE .
if you have the money and are somewhat mechanically inclined and computer literate, i'd buy the whole setup.
if you are gonna tune your car and never make any more major changes, then i'd just have it tuned. save yourself the $1200.
just my opinion. we are still planning on buying the software. we're gearheads. if anything we want to do it just 'cause it's FUN

*edit: let me add that Shawn Church spent WAY more than two hours with each of us so the $300 we each spent was more than fair, in my opinion. he even took the time, just for fun, to try some different intake configurations with us. good thing he did 'cause Reilly picked up 8whp from a C.A.I. on his turbo!

 

Shawn @ CAT

Very helpful and answered all my questions i had....

if i had open backroads id opt for tuning myself.

 

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harder? yes. only 'cause you have to find a long, empty, safe road. tuning on the street is best anyway. .. that's where you'll be driving it afterall.. but a dyno allows you to have all your tools, etc around..
best thing is dyno, then street tune.. but you can only do that if the tuner likes you ALOT or you have your own software :D

 

Shawn was OG Hybrid guy, you expect nothing but excellence from the people that came from the wreckage of that forum.

 

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yup. good guy fo' shizzle

 

J.Davis, they charge $500 to tune in my area.. I hope someone finds this inspiring, however I am not experienced at all when it comes to tuning and so far with reading post and a couple of phone calls to Mase I am able to tune my car using Crome.. If I can tune enough to get the car running good on my own then anyone can. It just takes time and patience and great members from H-T.. DIY has my vote..