hondata maps in an uberteg chip?
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Re: hondata maps in an uberteg chip? (Mase)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mase »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
you're exactly right. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, nod your head like you kno what the hell you're talking about
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You're false sense of intellect never ceases to amuse me</TD></TR></TABLE>
I never said i'm smart, programmign just happends to be my forte...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So you are saying you can copy the contents of a hondata eprom and modify it so you do not need the hondata box?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The ROM is re-wrote so much, its just easier to make the code from scratch. But I *could* copy features from hondata which is inside of the rom, but i wont cuz i dont need to when i can make it myself. But yes, you can copy the hondatarom (which is where the fuel/ign maps are!), modify them, and give them to other people... this is what tuners with the tuneable hondata do as a matter of fact!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">One would assume it would be much easier to copy the chip(s) in the hondata box, then to change their programming data on the eprom. But of course, you wont be able to do that because their chips are read protected.</TD></TR></TABLE>
My god you are ignorant, go away plz! Your ignorance is just pissing me off. It is very easy to read read-protected eproms. That security bit is a joke, and only stops n00bs like yourself.
you're exactly right. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, nod your head like you kno what the hell you're talking about
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You're false sense of intellect never ceases to amuse me</TD></TR></TABLE>
I never said i'm smart, programmign just happends to be my forte...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So you are saying you can copy the contents of a hondata eprom and modify it so you do not need the hondata box?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The ROM is re-wrote so much, its just easier to make the code from scratch. But I *could* copy features from hondata which is inside of the rom, but i wont cuz i dont need to when i can make it myself. But yes, you can copy the hondatarom (which is where the fuel/ign maps are!), modify them, and give them to other people... this is what tuners with the tuneable hondata do as a matter of fact!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">One would assume it would be much easier to copy the chip(s) in the hondata box, then to change their programming data on the eprom. But of course, you wont be able to do that because their chips are read protected.</TD></TR></TABLE>
My god you are ignorant, go away plz! Your ignorance is just pissing me off. It is very easy to read read-protected eproms. That security bit is a joke, and only stops n00bs like yourself.
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Re: hondata maps in an uberteg chip? (1.8T_EG)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1.8T_EG »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... all of this sounds interested... but why not just go with the uberchip in the first place?... from reading the threads, it has better scaling than for boost than "than one company" (3 vs 5 if i am correct)... unless of course this is for the other features that the other company offers... oh well, personally, i will be ordering an uberchip in the near future... my .02...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yah its kind of impossible for me to copy a smaller map into my larger map
I did not copy ANYTHING from hondata. I projected the WOT fuel/ign curves upward into the boost area, and i used some basic math functions to determine how far to project that curve.
Yah its kind of impossible for me to copy a smaller map into my larger map
I did not copy ANYTHING from hondata. I projected the WOT fuel/ign curves upward into the boost area, and i used some basic math functions to determine how far to project that curve.
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Re: hondata maps in an uberteg chip? (UberTeg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That security bit is a joke, and only stops n00bs like yourself</TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL... true on the first part... and Mase, you are a bright guy, but you aren't a techie and aren't up to speed on hardware/software... this is the one subject you can butt heads with Uberteg and you will always lose.
I think this thread needs locked/deleted, as it touches a little too closely on Hondata piracy. As much as many PGMFI Forum people have a strong disdain for Hondata, it is tempered with much respect for the hard work that went into it and for Hondata's intellectual property.
LOL... true on the first part... and Mase, you are a bright guy, but you aren't a techie and aren't up to speed on hardware/software... this is the one subject you can butt heads with Uberteg and you will always lose.
I think this thread needs locked/deleted, as it touches a little too closely on Hondata piracy. As much as many PGMFI Forum people have a strong disdain for Hondata, it is tempered with much respect for the hard work that went into it and for Hondata's intellectual property.
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Re: hondata maps in an uberteg chip? (J. Davis)
Piracy (theft) is the reason why few other alternatives to Hondata exists. I am sure the educated members of this forum are well aware of the number pirated Mugen and Spoon chips.
The information published on Hondata's website is copyright. http://www.hondata.com/termsofuse.html
The custom tuned maps supplied with the Hondata system are also copyrighted. There are hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars worth of Dyno time and R&D invested for the use of Hondata's customers.
There are a small minority of people who expect everything free of charge or expect to be able to copy freely what they want. Unfortunately if that is allowed to happen, it will reduce the choice of products for the majority and ultimately disadvantage everyone.
I trust common sense will prevail.
The information published on Hondata's website is copyright. http://www.hondata.com/termsofuse.html
The custom tuned maps supplied with the Hondata system are also copyrighted. There are hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars worth of Dyno time and R&D invested for the use of Hondata's customers.
There are a small minority of people who expect everything free of charge or expect to be able to copy freely what they want. Unfortunately if that is allowed to happen, it will reduce the choice of products for the majority and ultimately disadvantage everyone.
I trust common sense will prevail.
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Re: hondata maps in an uberteg chip? (J. Davis)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by J. Davis »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
LOL... true on the first part... and Mase, you are a bright guy, but you aren't a techie and aren't up to speed on hardware/software... this is the one subject you can butt heads with Uberteg and you will always lose.
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I'll give you that, im not a CE, im ME. Regardless ive been told numerous times though that the certain PIC chips hondata uses are not readable, and that you'd have to change a **** load of code to get around the box, regardless, i hope no one is low enough to scam hondata of their glory.
LOL... true on the first part... and Mase, you are a bright guy, but you aren't a techie and aren't up to speed on hardware/software... this is the one subject you can butt heads with Uberteg and you will always lose.
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I'll give you that, im not a CE, im ME. Regardless ive been told numerous times though that the certain PIC chips hondata uses are not readable, and that you'd have to change a **** load of code to get around the box, regardless, i hope no one is low enough to scam hondata of their glory.
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Re: hondata maps in an uberteg chip? (VaporTrail)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VaporTrail »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what I find appauling is that you have no guilt in ripping off a geniunely innovative company. I have no respect for you 
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What theh ell are you talking about? i didnt rip off hondata! My god... just ebcause I made a boost chip i ripepd them off? Like hondata is the only person on the face of the earth who can hack the honda ecu? Jeez dude.. u really **** me off.
</TD></TR></TABLE>What theh ell are you talking about? i didnt rip off hondata! My god... just ebcause I made a boost chip i ripepd them off? Like hondata is the only person on the face of the earth who can hack the honda ecu? Jeez dude.. u really **** me off.
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Re: hondata maps in an uberteg chip? (UberTeg)
I remember reading that you "simply took the timing maps from Hondata's posted maps" or some BS like that. Is your chip even dyno tuned to anyone's car, or did you just take maps and throw them together?
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Re: hondata maps in an uberteg chip? (VaporTrail)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VaporTrail »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I remember reading that you "simply took the timing maps from Hondata's posted maps" or some BS like that. Is your chip even dyno tuned to anyone's car, or did you just take maps and throw them together?</TD></TR></TABLE>
WHere did you read this at cuz it is GROSLY wrong. I explained to doug/hondata how I got my base maps which can be confirmed by lookign at the ss's i posted of my editor. I simply took the last fuel/ign curve, and projected it! It is done fairly accurately, and my chip hasnt been dyno tuned yet, but it has been tested on a wideband, and it is very rich. I tell people i send it to, to tune it with an afc or to play with the fuel pressure. Again, I did *NOT* rip off hondata.
WHere did you read this at cuz it is GROSLY wrong. I explained to doug/hondata how I got my base maps which can be confirmed by lookign at the ss's i posted of my editor. I simply took the last fuel/ign curve, and projected it! It is done fairly accurately, and my chip hasnt been dyno tuned yet, but it has been tested on a wideband, and it is very rich. I tell people i send it to, to tune it with an afc or to play with the fuel pressure. Again, I did *NOT* rip off hondata.
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Re: hondata maps in an uberteg chip? (UberTeg)
If you've got the stock fuel and ignition maps, which by the way are readily available, it's pretty easy to scale them for different size injectors or extrapolate them for boost.
What isn't so easy is telling the ECU that you want to add extra columns to the fuel and timing tables for boost. But if anyone takes the time to read the posts in the PGM-FI forum you'll see these guys know a thing or two about hardware and software.
So give Uberteg some props, he just turned the heat up on Hondata. Competition is a good thing for the consumer (just not for the manufacturer).
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