dustin

Do you really need any of the features beyond 2B + datalogging? The tuning piece is just software and a eprom burner, correct? I suppose I could add up the pricing on the web page, but how much does this setup cost?

Dustin

Liltrix

Dustin, this only goes for $845. If all the features are bought together, $50. more if U buy it separate. Aint that great?


[Modified by Liltrix, 1:07 AM 8/28/2001]

degradated

here is a price list in case you didn't see it on the Hondata site:
http://www.hondata.com/prices.html

It was a little confusing at first to me, but basically the stage 4b for $1190 comes with everything (upgrades at the bottom of the page included)... For $345 more than the 2b you get launch control and full throttle shift features along with the ROM editor (which as I understand, cannot be purchased any other way besides buying the stage 4 kit)..
I downloaded the Hondata installation manual and read about these features...they seem pretty cool... I don't have first-hand experience with any of this [yet], so my input isn't very valuable I guess....
I plan to purchase the stage 4b within the month, so I'll give my feedback on what I think about it.
Without the ROM editor it seems like tuning with Hondata is a bit limited... I would consider this program to be 45% of the tuning process (just a guesstimate)...it deals with ignition and fuel, injector sizing, idle speed, etc... cool stuff.
You might want to figure in the cost of an OBDI ecu along with the $250 adapter cable if you are post-'95 (myself included)...

VaporTrail

so long as you have someone or a shop locally that has a stage 4b and access to a dyno, there is no need to purchase the stage 4. You may want the stage 3b, but thats only if you want the options it offers. Of course, if you did get the stage 4b, then YOU could be the person that people come to. Just a thought, hope it helps.

dustin

Well I do not know anyone with a hondata locally.... would I want to go with 4b then? I want datalogging...

spyder

Actually there is another reason to get the 4b. If you get an EPROM emulator you can modify your maps on the fly! Wouldn't it be nice to be able to switch from a high-mileage mode to a high-performance mode at the touch of a button? At some point in the future I am going to set this up on my car (but my car will be much different by then).

VaporTrail

you might want to see if any of the dealers below are close to you

Atomic Performance Fullerton CA Ph 714 680 5895
AEBS San Diego CA Ph 858 693 3200
RaVer Motorsport Visalia, CA Ph 559 733-4711
Dynospot Racing Mountain View CA Ph 650 988-6848

They all have stage 4's, so they could tune the maps for you. Otherwise, check on the Hondata user board http://ferrari.colowatch.com/php/pos...&Board=hondata to poll anyone in your area. You can add the data logging to any stage 2 or 3, and stage 4 it's standard. HTH

IgniteTeg

I'm planing to get the Stage 2b is dattalogging necessary? What is it?? Thanks for the help. I got my estimate at AEBS for roughly 1600-1700 install, harness ODB1, etc everything dyno tune for 4hours is this a good deal?? This is with stage 2b. Dyno tune for 4hours that what they recommend should it be necessary to dyno tune for 4hours????????

VaporTrail

seems a little high in my estimation, but that does include quite a bit of dyno time, and AEBS definately knows their ****. That said, if I were you, I'd spend the extra $$ for someone that knows what they are doing - peace of mind is priceless.

The data logging feature allows you to connect a lap top to your Hondata blue box, and allow you to monitor all sensors that the ECU monitors. On top of that, you can save the files for later viewing an analysis. I really like this feature of Hondata, but if you don't think you'll be using it, save you money.


[Modified by VaporTrail, 1:15 PM 8/28/2001]

ken

Just out of curiosity, does Hondata have a Mac datalogger program? I recently bought a new Apple laptop and might one day, after I join the dark side, get a Hondata or some standalone. Would be nice if it worked on my laptop.

If not, I wonder if Hondata would give me the specs so I could piece something together myself.

dbman96

Can't you run a win emulator on most of the new mac laptops?

Oh yeah and WTF is up with a $250 adapter cable to attach a $125 ecu to my car? Madness I say!

DR. ON POINT

I cant wait to purchase my hondata. Im gettin stage 4

VaporTrail

Ever made one? I know someone who does perhaps 50% of all the adapter harness's that everyone uses. They take around 2-2.5 hours to make one harness. And that's just the labor, and he's very very good (fast) at what he does. This is not even factoring in the cost of the parts needed to make them. To me, knowing what I know, 250 is maybe a tad high, but I'd much rather spend that money than do it myself. Not a flame, just an FYI

chri5

Hey dustin, the closeset place to us that does the Hondata is DynoSpot down in MTN View. They know their ****, but the 2 hour trip isnt fun, especially since they only dyno on the weekdays and Bay Area traffic SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!! it took me and a freind over 4 hours to get home the other day from DynoSpot, and we left at 2 BEFORE the rush.

VaporTrail

but dynospot definately knows their **** too. How many dyno graphs have you seen on this forum from them? A lot.

chri5

That's why we drove down their. Lawrence is very knowledgeable, and is a cool guy to boot.

dbman96

Yeah I totally understand it's a ridiculous pain in the *** to make something like that, I've done enough tapping and spicing of the ECU wires to be sick of it forever... but you know what I'm saying... a bundle of wires... $250... You have to feel the pain. Of course a friend had some trouble with the lights in their Volvo and the shop wanted like $1100 for a replacement wiring harness to fix the problem... so I guess it's just the price you pay for messing with factory wires.

Ray

That does sound sweet high mpg settings and performance setting. Do you guys know if a old *** 486 lab will work?

spyder

You could probably get away with using a 486, but I would not recommend it at all. Whatever notebook you use, make sure it is 100% stable, you don't want that sucker locking up while your engine is running, it would get the same effect as unpluging your ECU. If you use a notebook for running your stand alone system, that should be the SOLE use of the notebook, don't use it for school or for work or games or whatever else.

Make taking care of your car its only job

98hx99b18c

I would think that stage 3 with datalogging would suffice.

IgniteTeg

Damn so no laptop no dattaloggin? How about my PC?? Thanks for the help guyz. Is the full throttle shift and rev launch something necessary? This is in the Stage 3. Need to save as much money as possible. So will I be okay goin with Stage 2b or I need the Stage 3b damn pricey Thanks for the help.

spyder

I would NOT suggest using a PC to do the datalogging. The reason they say you need a laptop is because the laptop rides with you in the car. It is plugged into the ECU and is logging all data sent or received by the ECU while you drive. I guess you could use a PC for this, but it would add about 100 lbs to the weight of your car and you would have to get a DC/AC power inverter, which when under high throttle conditions will stress your electrical system.

IgniteTeg

Thanks for your help but Would I really need the extra stuff in Stage 3 than as of Stage 2? Thanks for any help.