<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RedlineKustomz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hard to get parts? So your saying its possible for you but not me , cause u have hard to get parts that Icant get my hands on? and how about did you receive these sponsors?
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sorry it took me so long to reply...

the parts i have are available to the public.... they are very expensive... the rocker arms alone are somewhere around 1500, then add the custom made cams 1000, full valve train, custom springs and retainers.. etc it adds up. you could buy them, but it would be very expensive to do so

 

What octane would i have to have to achieve 500whp? Are my goals just to far beyond what i can achieve or should i just settle with 450whp?

 

settle for less, 400-450. unless you have a steady source of 93 available.

here we can get c16 at the pumps some places, 110, etc so on and so forth

 

Well I know I can get 92 or 93 all day long here. And 110 is 30 minutes away. So you know that isnt much of a problem. But my power goals just keep gettin lower nad lower and sorry but I hate to be told something can't be done.

 

A month ago when I started planning this build it was visionable by many now its to far out of my reach.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RedlineKustomz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well I know I can get 92 or 93 all day long here. And 110 is 30 minutes away. So you know that isnt much of a problem. But my power goals just keep gettin lower nad lower and sorry but I hate to be told something can't be done.</TD></TR></TABLE>

if you can get 93 no problem then you can make whatever.... but 91 is a different story. put the wiseco -18cc pistons in there and you wont have a problem

 

93 octane I wont have a problem with 500whp ? wiseco pistons? I wsa goin to use cp

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RedlineKustomz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A month ago when I started planning this build it was visionable by many now its to far out of my reach.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You need to use your head. When will you need 500whp? At the track right? Why cant you plan a bit a head and pick up some higher octane fuel for the track? Then you will have a pump gas tune of roughly 400whp, and a "race gas" tune for 500+whp. Hell, bring a big jug and fill it up with high octane gas and keep it in your garage. That way you are only inconvienced a few times a year. There are options, you just have to use your head.

The whole point I was trying to illustrate that lower compression allows you to make more power on a given gas when refering to forced induction. And if you REALLY wanted a 500-550whp car on 91 pump, youd need to be willing to drop your compression to reach your goal. Thats it.

Its a simple choice. A) Run two tunes and pick up higher octane gas when you are heading to the track. B) Drop your compression ratio low enough to run 91 octane all the time.

 

I'm sure the people who were telling you that you could do it were the ones that haven't done it. I agree, you need to have more reasonable goals like 400-450. You can probably do it on the dyno, 500whp, but it won't last...

 

but wouldnt I need to tune it if i use race gas? then tune it at pump gas? so what would be the point in having to tune it each time I change the gas before i dyno it or race it?

 

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if you can get 93 no problem then you can make whatever.... but 91 is a different story. put the wiseco -18cc pistons in there and you wont have a problem</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't think it's that cut and dry, it's not like 91 octane is made by Hyundai and 93 octane is made by Porsche. They both start off as an ~80 octane mixture and chemicals are mixed to boost the octane rating. You are just as likely to have 93 octane that's a bit low on octane as you are to have 93 octane that's low on octane. I don't think I'd ever try and push 500 WHP on a little 4-cylinder motor without meth injection though, at that point if you still want to drive on pump gas it's some damned nice insurance.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RedlineKustomz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but wouldnt I need to tune it if i use race gas? then tune it at pump gas? so what would be the point in having to tune it each time I change the gas before i dyno it or race it? </TD></TR></TABLE>

You can save two different tune ups for your motor, champ. Seriously, if you don't have this kind of knowledge just sit back and read more before you jump in an buy anything.

 

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cp shelf pistons dont go lowenough in compression... that and i have seen more broken cps than anything. wiseco's seem to take the abuse better

 

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You tune one and then the other back to back.

You could get a two step boost controller. Have a low setting that you run on pump gas with a lower psi, and then a high setting that you run at the track with race gas and a high psi.

 

sorry i didnt know about u can save 2 tunes. what do u think i am doing going to go out and buy this **** tomorrow. NO, I am asking questions and researching and tryin to get everything to my understanding before I start. The only purchase I have made is a b18c1 motor and my car. Other than that right now I am in my learning and planning stage.

and I cant achieve a 9:1 cr with CP pistons?

 

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sorry it took me so long to reply...

the parts i have are available to the public.... they are very expensive... the rocker arms alone are somewhere around 1500, then add the custom made cams 1000, full valve train, custom springs and retainers.. etc it adds up. you could buy them, but it would be very expensive to do so</TD></TR></TABLE>

So how are u gettin all these expensive parts?

 

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i would like to know too..

 

cause if you have 50k to put into a honda motor, my next question is why? you have to have sponsors and if so how do u get them? I have a 00 civic si and 96 civic hatch and will let anyone sponsor them if I can get parts like that. lol

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RedlineKustomz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So how are u gettin all these expensive parts? </TD></TR></TABLE>

simple, i have connections.. i am so hooked up its not even funny... wether it be bikes, cars, etc. i can get media passes for races tha speedvision covers... i get into riders trialers etc i get parts of of their bikes and such.

 

so do u pay for anything? i am about to drop about 15k on my motor. when your motor will be 30k and u wont spend a dime.

 

I did a B17GSR with GSR head, CTR pistons, crane stage 3 cams and 10PSI on a 60-1.. on Pump Gas.. It made close to 400Hp but the 750CC injectors were MAXED out.. But the motor spooled so fast it blew my mind.. . Its possible and its a totally different beast power and responce wise then a 9.5:1 motor..

 

Never got to see how long it would last cause after a short time the dude pulled it out of the car for some reason and last I heard the whole setup was just sitting in a garage.

 

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simple, i have connections.. i am so hooked up its not even funny... wether it be bikes, cars, etc. i can get media passes for races tha speedvision covers... i get into riders trialers etc i get parts of of their bikes and such.</TD></TR></TABLE>

lets see your parts at least!!

 

i run a stock B18c6 with revhard stage2 on 0.36 bar and on 9000rpm it was 310hp
he car was a killer and the the honda keeped the soul of honda, allmost no lag at all
I will make the b16 on the same setup now
and it was 100octane pump fuel
my 2 cents

 

Dude. Look at the dates of the threads you"re interested in.

 

there is power to be gained on high comp turbo motors, we have seen 45 whp gains at the same boost level going from 9:1 to 11:1 on e98, pump gas id say go 9:1