HELP! Building a Fuel System for 600+ WHP
10-31-2008, 09:02 AM
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HELP! Building a Fuel System for 600+ WHP
Well i got this idea from another H-Tech member (turbocivic94), But i'am unsure really on the size of lines needed and if the way im planning it is efficient; or if the flow is right. please let me know if i should chaneg something or if something is worng.
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Help a fellow member out!!
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10-31-2008, 09:36 AM
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Re: HELP! Building a Fuel System for 600+ WHP (LS-VTEC-TURBO-EF9)
How much over 600 are you planning? The two Bosch pumps might be overkill for 600whp. Too make things easier (and a bit cheaper), you could just use one fuel pump like an Aeromotive. Also don't forget about a fuel pressure regulator too. Other than that, your diagram looks good.
10-31-2008, 09:42 AM
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Re: HELP! Building a Fuel System for 600+ WHP (Redline130)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Redline130 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How much over 600 are you planning? The two Bosch pumps might be overkill for 600whp. Too make things easier (and a bit cheaper), you could just use one fuel pump like an Aeromotive. Also don't forget about a fuel pressure regulator too. Other than that, your diagram looks good.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Planning from 600 to 750WHP.
The only reson im not getting the Aeromtive one, is because ive heard alot of horror storries of it going out and leaning cars out. Or of it not getting enough fuel efficinetly and chewing up the gears inside of it, then feeding specs of aluminum throught the fuel system. Stuff like that.
Sometimes i think overkill may be better. Considering if one pump does start Failing. the other at full potential will handle 600 on its on own. know what i mean??
Planning from 600 to 750WHP.
The only reson im not getting the Aeromtive one, is because ive heard alot of horror storries of it going out and leaning cars out. Or of it not getting enough fuel efficinetly and chewing up the gears inside of it, then feeding specs of aluminum throught the fuel system. Stuff like that.
Sometimes i think overkill may be better. Considering if one pump does start Failing. the other at full potential will handle 600 on its on own. know what i mean??
10-31-2008, 10:27 AM
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Re: HELP! Building a Fuel System for 600+ WHP (LS-VTEC-TURBO-EF9)
I know what you mean. If your budget allows, get a Weldon pump.
My concern with using a 2 pump system is if in fact one pump does fail and the other pump cannot meet the demands of your motor, then your motor will be toast from running lean. I'm not sure if one Bosch pump can support 750whp. But then again, these Bosch pumps are very reliable too.
My concern with using a 2 pump system is if in fact one pump does fail and the other pump cannot meet the demands of your motor, then your motor will be toast from running lean. I'm not sure if one Bosch pump can support 750whp. But then again, these Bosch pumps are very reliable too.
10-31-2008, 11:03 AM
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Re: HELP! Building a Fuel System for 600+ WHP (Redline130)
I would recommend getting a sump with two -8an fitting that will go into two bosch pumps. I did mine your way but I think it will be easier with -8an. From the 2 pumps you can run -10an to fuel rail.
Tony1 also said to do pumps in series for high pressure. I think in series it will be even better. I never done it this way and have no experience. Let me know if you need any help.
Tony1 also said to do pumps in series for high pressure. I think in series it will be even better. I never done it this way and have no experience. Let me know if you need any help.
10-31-2008, 12:14 PM
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Re: HELP! Building a Fuel System for 600+ WHP (Turbocivic94)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbocivic94 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would recommend getting a sump with two -8an fitting that will go into two bosch pumps. I did mine your way but I think it will be easier with -8an. From the 2 pumps you can run -10an to fuel rail. </TD></TR></TABLE>
So your saying to have -8an lines connecting to the pump right after the tank?? Without a fuel filter???
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbocivic94 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tony1 also said to do pumps in series for high pressure. I think in series it will be even better. I never done it this way and have no experience. Let me know if you need any help.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hmmmm, what do you mean by series? Im a tad confused.....
So your saying to have -8an lines connecting to the pump right after the tank?? Without a fuel filter???
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbocivic94 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tony1 also said to do pumps in series for high pressure. I think in series it will be even better. I never done it this way and have no experience. Let me know if you need any help.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hmmmm, what do you mean by series? Im a tad confused.....
10-31-2008, 01:04 PM
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Re: HELP! Building a Fuel System for 600+ WHP (LS-VTEC-TURBO-EF9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LS-VTEC-TURBO-EF9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
So your saying to have -8an lines connecting to the pump right after the tank?? Without a fuel filter???
Hmmmm, what do you mean by series? Im a tad confused.....</TD></TR></TABLE>
You run one pump intank and then one in-line pump after the first pump...they work together and give more pressure.
So your saying to have -8an lines connecting to the pump right after the tank?? Without a fuel filter???
Hmmmm, what do you mean by series? Im a tad confused.....</TD></TR></TABLE>
You run one pump intank and then one in-line pump after the first pump...they work together and give more pressure.
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Re: HELP! Building a Fuel System for 600+ WHP (LS-VTEC-TURBO-EF9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LS-VTEC-TURBO-EF9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
So your saying to have -8an lines connecting to the pump right after the tank?? Without a fuel filter???
Hmmmm, what do you mean by series? Im a tad confused.....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Two pump together. Put a fitting between 2 pump. Then you can have -10 come from the sump into 1st pump and then -10 from 2nd pump to fuel rail.
sorry I'm not good at drawing pics. You always want to run filter before the pump and after the pump.
sump > Fuel Filter > 1st pump > 2nd pump > 2nd fuel filter > fuel rail
So your saying to have -8an lines connecting to the pump right after the tank?? Without a fuel filter???
Hmmmm, what do you mean by series? Im a tad confused.....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Two pump together. Put a fitting between 2 pump. Then you can have -10 come from the sump into 1st pump and then -10 from 2nd pump to fuel rail.
sorry I'm not good at drawing pics. You always want to run filter before the pump and after the pump.
sump > Fuel Filter > 1st pump > 2nd pump > 2nd fuel filter > fuel rail
10-31-2008, 01:51 PM
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Re: HELP! Building a Fuel System for 600+ WHP (Turbocivic94)
What tony was thinking of doing is one pump, then another RIGHT after it. Not intank then inline. I'm not a fan of that at all.
Not even a huge fan of series either lol
Rubens twin Bosch setup is badass, post some pics up for us Ruben!
Not even a huge fan of series either lol
Rubens twin Bosch setup is badass, post some pics up for us Ruben!
10-31-2008, 03:34 PM
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Re: HELP! Building a Fuel System for 600+ WHP (LS-VTEC-TURBO-EF9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LS-VTEC-TURBO-EF9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Planning from 600 to 750WHP.
The only reson im not getting the Aeromtive one, is because ive heard alot of horror storries of it going out and leaning cars out. Or of it not getting enough fuel efficinetly and chewing up the gears inside of it, then feeding specs of aluminum throught the fuel system. Stuff like that.
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could u go a little more into this statement? I currently run an aero fpr on my turbo D.
Planning from 600 to 750WHP.
The only reson im not getting the Aeromtive one, is because ive heard alot of horror storries of it going out and leaning cars out. Or of it not getting enough fuel efficinetly and chewing up the gears inside of it, then feeding specs of aluminum throught the fuel system. Stuff like that.
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could u go a little more into this statement? I currently run an aero fpr on my turbo D.
10-31-2008, 04:47 PM
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Re: HELP! Building a Fuel System for 600+ WHP (BiggieBert)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BiggieBert »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
could u go a little more into this statement? I currently run an aero fpr on my turbo D.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Don't worry about that statement, how many times have you heard people talking crap about something completely reputable? 100% success rate with any product is impossible unless it's play-do, silly putty, or GAK.
I've run Aeromotive stuff for a long time now, and all my buddies use it as well. Never any issues.
could u go a little more into this statement? I currently run an aero fpr on my turbo D.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Don't worry about that statement, how many times have you heard people talking crap about something completely reputable? 100% success rate with any product is impossible unless it's play-do, silly putty, or GAK.
I've run Aeromotive stuff for a long time now, and all my buddies use it as well. Never any issues.
11-01-2008, 04:06 AM
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Re: HELP! Building a Fuel System for 600+ WHP (rota92)
Only reason I dont run aeromotive pumps cause they are very loud on a street car. My aeromotive pump was louder than my 4" exhaust. Thats the reason I chose bosch setup.
11-01-2008, 04:13 AM
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Re: HELP! Building a Fuel System for 600+ WHP (BiggieBert)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BiggieBert »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
could u go a little more into this statement? I currently run an aero fpr on my turbo D.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I run their regulator also.
could u go a little more into this statement? I currently run an aero fpr on my turbo D.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I run their regulator also.
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Re: HELP! Building a Fuel System for 600+ WHP (Turbocivic94)
Not trying to jack your thread,but i am doing a rsx build and i would also like some help building the perfect fuel system to supply reliable fuel to around 850 whp thanks.
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stock tank and bosch 044's here and this is how im holding it down because i didnt want to use a sump.
i can run a dual pump set-up or single pump. that pic has changed a little since then
i can run a dual pump set-up or single pump. that pic has changed a little since then
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony413 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">stock tank and bosch 044's here and this is how im holding it down because i didnt want to use a sump.
i can run a dual pump set-up or single pump. that pic has changed a little since then </TD></TR></TABLE>
What kind of fittings are those 90* ones ? Are they bulkhead fittings? Do they fit under the metal cover thats under the seat? Any pics installed in the car?
i can run a dual pump set-up or single pump. that pic has changed a little since then </TD></TR></TABLE>
What kind of fittings are those 90* ones ? Are they bulkhead fittings? Do they fit under the metal cover thats under the seat? Any pics installed in the car?
11-01-2008, 09:46 PM
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Re: (eg9racer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by eg9racer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
What kind of fittings are those 90* ones ? Are they bulkhead fittings? Do they fit under the metal cover thats under the seat? Any pics installed in the car?</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes they are 90* bulkhead fittings with teflon o-rings between the nuts . and NO they do not clear the stock metal cover if you use a -10AN or bigger a -6AN is fine and a -8AN just requires a little notch with a dremel no biggie. and i dont have pics of the set-up in a honda but i can upload one of a dsm which is very similiar to the honda style 
What kind of fittings are those 90* ones ? Are they bulkhead fittings? Do they fit under the metal cover thats under the seat? Any pics installed in the car?</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes they are 90* bulkhead fittings with teflon o-rings between the nuts
. and NO they do not clear the stock metal cover if you use a -10AN or bigger a -6AN is fine and a -8AN just requires a little notch with a dremel no biggie. and i dont have pics of the set-up in a honda but i can upload one of a dsm which is very similiar to the honda style
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Re: (Axix24)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Axix24 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">run an intank walboro 255 and inline bosch 044 and you'll be set....
-8an feed and -6an return</TD></TR></TABLE>
an intank walbro IS NOT enough pump to feed a bosch 044 it will keep the pump from performing to the fullest.
-8an feed and -6an return</TD></TR></TABLE>
an intank walbro IS NOT enough pump to feed a bosch 044 it will keep the pump from performing to the fullest.
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Re: (Turbocivic94)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbocivic94 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you are better off running 2 255's. one intank and one inline</TD></TR></TABLE>
the cheapest but effective way of doing things however i like bosch and thats what i recommend
the cheapest but effective way of doing things
however i like bosch and thats what i recommend
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Re: (Turbocivic94)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbocivic94 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you are better off running 2 255's. one intank and one inline</TD></TR></TABLE>
how does that one end up working? anyone have any pics of this setup?
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how does that one end up working? anyone have any pics of this setup?
-jason