turboing my d series , im looking for somthing like 450 bhp
i was going to buy hondata but a greddy e-manage has come up cheap .
whould you stick with the hondata or go with the e-manage

 

Emanage isn't an option in this case. Its a worthless system. If anything, you should be looking at the differences between Crome, Neptune, and Hondata. I'm running Crome on my setup (power in sig) with goals to use it next summer on my retune (aiming for that 440whp range). I have used it for the past 3 or so years on my turbo setups without issues...its something to consider...

 

I would bet you could get a used Hondata S200 setup as cheap or cheaper than the e-manage setup.

 

You could get Crome for the price of a chipped P28 which is far less than a Hondata system...new or used

 

True, but I wouldn't call e-manage a worthless system. Just worthless to H-T. I've used it years before and its fine, just doesn't have all the coolness features that many H-Ters use. Considering where the OP is from, the other options seem to be more viable.

 

thanks , id never used e-manage befor, i tryed to seach for wright up's on it but there want too many.
just a option i was looking at , sticking with the hondata

 

Go with hondata!! and you throw out there that your looking for 450hp on a d-series like its nothing... well good luck with that

 

hold up ppl i have to intervene in this one..

if we are speaking about the emanage ultimate its not a bad option..its capable of tuning u safely to almost any power level ONCE the tuner understands the piggy back fully..am not going to say its as good as hondata but i have used both and where i would give the hondata a 9/10 i would give the greddy a 8/10...the one point difference is that the greddy is and will always be a piggy back system..while hondata would pass for a stand alone system...

if your car is daily driven and you just wana put some boost to have a lil fun and make some nice power say 300-450 greddy could handle it...a lil ignition and fuel adjustment is not too hard for the greddy to handle..
but if your gonna go all out and build a drag car and aim for tens or lower hondata is the way to go..simply because sometimes tunning fuel and ignition isnt enough...when u your pulling ever last hp your gona need a system that could handle n adjust IAT vs ing timing and fuel ect ...

so the choice is up to u...if u could find a tuner that could do the job go fo it



my first tuner couldnt make my car pass 230whp simply because he wasnt familiar with gredy unlimate ..so i learned how to tune myself and made 310whp ...thats just to show u how much of a difference a good tune makes.

 

^^^ Very well put.. Yes, the ultimate is 20 times better than the blue, but the blue CAN work for smaller output.

 

Hondata FTW

 

^^Understood, but we're saying that e-manage ultimate doesn't SUCK, when known how to use it... just like anything else.

 

It never ceases to amaze me that even after all this time, i still learn a lot from this site. I didnt even know that there was an Emanage other than the Blue, or that people used them on Hondas.

 

I put down 375whp with a vitara D16Z6 on Emanage Blue, but had alot a ignition problems. The emanage (both blue and ultimate) unit itself intercepts the coil signal to pull timing, but when it does this it also pulls voltage out of the primary side of the coil, which leads to low spark voltage. Most of the time you don't hear about this issue becasue nobody runs over 20psi, but at over 20, my car would pop and sputter bad due to ignition breakup. All was verified by a oscilloscope. I swithed to crome and spark voltage went back up to stock levels.... no more problems at high boost.

You have to keep in mind the emanage units can only drive ~550cc injectors (and it struggles with 550's at idle), so you are fuel limited, plus it can only pull 20 degrees of timing.

 

its the blue , im wanting as much power as i can get , its not a road car , its going to be a fun drag car for us to build , my tuner has used handata lots but never greddy ,so im sticking with the handata , thanks for the info thought , there's not much about greddy unit on here.

 

like others have said, the greddy unit can only adjust fuel and ignition. hondata/neptune/crome/etc have much more tuning options. IMO hondata is liek ferrari, half of the price is for the name. neptune/ectune are great choices, are extremely similiar to hondata s300, and are MUCH cheaper. just waht i gather from looking up options, hondata is meant to make your car SAFE to drive, other options (aem,hondata,ectune,neptune) are meant to get the MOST out of your car.

 

I have the e-manage on my d series but I don't have vtec. If I got the e-manage ultimate, would I be able to re-map it so my air/fuel wouldn't change at higher rpms?

 

hondata s300 and call it a day

 

crome is cheapest and will do the job jsut fine, a lot better than blue or ultimate. ultimate isnt horrible, but its def not even close to an option on a honda... track car or not, blue is JUNK... crome can be done for cheap enough that blue shouldnt even be an option...