<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rorik &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What? That procedure, not the fluid, is to burnish the syncro..the gm fluid just has different friction characteristics than the honda fluid..are you suggesting that the gm fluid wears out the syncros more?

I need to try the gm style fluid myself, my tranny grinds 2nd and 3rd if I try to shift as fast as possible..</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm stating that everyone thinks fluid can fix grinds, it doesn't , it band-aids the real problem.

 

Just using the fluid to hide a mechanical problem

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by badboyr66 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just using the fluid to hide a mechanical problem</TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly.

If you have a newer car, its covered under warranty, plus even if you don't have a warranty but are loyal to your dealer, they will take care of you.

 

So would it be better off then to just use OEM mtf, if you dont have any issuse at all with your tranny? Or is it ok to use the GM to prevent future grinds?

 

Thats alot of cash in parts for someone that has to pay put of pocket

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by laziebun &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So would it be better off then to just use OEM mtf, if you dont have any issuse at all with your tranny? Or is it ok to use the GM to prevent future grinds?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i use the pennzoil syncromesh in all my new trannies. i have never used the stuff to fix a grind. i use it because it is better than honda mtf.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quicksilver1689 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what do you guys think of that new honda advanced MTF formula? viscosity feels really thin like water lol. </TD></TR></TABLE>

its complete crap. i keep it far away from our old trannies.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by badboyr66 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SO what is the penzoil stuff to use? And what is FM version really needed??</TD></TR></TABLE>

you can get it at oreilys (behind counter) or on the shelf at any autozone.

 

I knew a guy who swore up and down regular motor oil was better than Honda MTF. Claimed it fixed many trannies, and actually did work upon initial testing. Later when he moved away, lots of Hondas in the area started having major tranny issues, mostly friends of that guy.

Moral of the story, you can hope it will work, but chances are against you. Trannies are things you can't always change fluids in and expect everything to be perfect. I know its less critical with MT's than AT's, but I've also had grinds fixed with just new Honda MTF. In many cases, the fluid people replace is several years old with far more than 20k hard miles on it. That's when maple syrup will also fix a grind, when the current fluid is that far 'gone'.


&lt;--- full-case Honda MTF buyer

 

Well I did get the Penzoil fluid. My B16 tranny did not really have any problems ... but I can say it does shift a tone smoother

From what searching I have done the FM version from GM should be used on things that scratch a little... not sure if that is true but I do like what is it now

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mike93eh2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i use the pennzoil syncromesh in all my new trannies. i have never used the stuff to fix a grind. i use it because it is better than honda mtf.

its complete crap. i keep it far away from our old trannies.

you can get it at oreilys (behind counter) or on the shelf at any autozone.


Oh ****, i just did a y8 tranny swap and used the new fluid, should i change back to something else? i dont have any grinds or anything mechanical wrong withit, i dont want accelerated wear n tear on my daily driver.

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youll be alright if you drive the car like a granny..like hondas are meant to be driven..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 90blackcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Its purpose is to burnish the synchro on the gear that's having problems engaging. It's actually a recommendation in the Dec 99 Acura Service News-

"On an M/T vehicle with less than 2,000 miles, you
can sometimes fix a shift grind by burnishing the
offending gear’s synchronizer. Here’s how:
1. Make sure the clutch releases fully by shifting in
and out of reverse with the engine running and
with it stopped.
• If the shift effort is higher with the engine
running, the clutch is dragging. Repair it as
needed.
• If the shift effort is the same with the engine
running, go to step 2.
2. Park the vehicle outside, away from other cars,
and set the parking brake.
3. Raise the engine speed to 2,500 rpm.
4. Without pressing the clutch pedal, apply light
pressure to the shifter toward the gear that grinds.
The pressure should be the same as when you
engage the gear.
5. Hold the pressure for 5 seconds, then release the
shifter for 5 seconds. To avoid synchronizer
damage, follow these intervals exactly.
6. Repeat step 5 carefully 10 times.
7. Test-drive the vehicle. If it still grinds, you may
need to disassemble the trans, inspect it, and
replace worn or damaged parts.
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well, i decided to give this a shot...ive had a fifth gear grind since ive owned the car, and its annoying. i only did it 5 times, cuz it sounded like my trans. was gonna blow all over the driveway, and i got scared....but i took it out, and no grinds anymore!!! 5th gear is finally behaving the way it should. thanks for posting this up.