GEN2LS's 500whp 93 octane GSR progress build
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Re: GEN2LS's 500whp 93 octane GSR progress build
Good race man! I've had many many races go down exactly like that. I love chasing em down. Get some slicks and you'll run 10s all day long.
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UPDATE!!!!!!!!
Nothing big to update honestly lol, I have been in South Korea for a bit now and will be living here for about another year so they car will be sitting until I get back stateside. Although before I left the car was burning about a quart of oil a week, didn't have time to diagnose it but compression test results came back 180-185psi across the board.
So I'm think valve stem seals or maybe even turbo seals although no oil was present in the exhaust housing nor compressor housing last time I checked.
Would like some opinions on my next setup though.
NOT A GROSSLY POPULAR OPTION, but I've been looking at the Rotrex supercharger kits and I think it would be a good match on a sleeved built 2.0L 11:1+ CR motor match with a short geared trans and runnning the larger C38 blower to make around 450whp.
Or just freshen up the current setup and switch up a few things
convert from top mount to a Mini ram manifold
undecided yet but either get my gt3037r freshen up or go with a gtx3076r
new and more efficient intercooler setup, short charge pipes and backdoor setup to help with spool time and lower iat's with a larger core.
Possibly switch from old school skunk2 pro series Intake Mani and go with a Skunk2 Ultra street manifold.
Goal with the car now is to have a "Renaissance man" sort of build! Would like the car to do a lil bit of everything well! So street duty, road race/time attack, drag racing!
Nothing big to update honestly lol, I have been in South Korea for a bit now and will be living here for about another year so they car will be sitting until I get back stateside. Although before I left the car was burning about a quart of oil a week, didn't have time to diagnose it but compression test results came back 180-185psi across the board.
So I'm think valve stem seals or maybe even turbo seals although no oil was present in the exhaust housing nor compressor housing last time I checked.
Would like some opinions on my next setup though.
NOT A GROSSLY POPULAR OPTION, but I've been looking at the Rotrex supercharger kits and I think it would be a good match on a sleeved built 2.0L 11:1+ CR motor match with a short geared trans and runnning the larger C38 blower to make around 450whp.
Or just freshen up the current setup and switch up a few things
convert from top mount to a Mini ram manifold
undecided yet but either get my gt3037r freshen up or go with a gtx3076r
new and more efficient intercooler setup, short charge pipes and backdoor setup to help with spool time and lower iat's with a larger core.
Possibly switch from old school skunk2 pro series Intake Mani and go with a Skunk2 Ultra street manifold.
Goal with the car now is to have a "Renaissance man" sort of build! Would like the car to do a lil bit of everything well! So street duty, road race/time attack, drag racing!
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Re: GEN2LS's 500whp 93 octane GSR progress build
UPDATE!!!!!!!!
Nothing big to update honestly lol, I have been in South Korea for a bit now and will be living here for about another year so they car will be sitting until I get back stateside. Although before I left the car was burning about a quart of oil a week, didn't have time to diagnose it but compression test results came back 180-185psi across the board.
So I'm think valve stem seals or maybe even turbo seals although no oil was present in the exhaust housing nor compressor housing last time I checked.
Would like some opinions on my next setup though.
NOT A GROSSLY POPULAR OPTION, but I've been looking at the Rotrex supercharger kits and I think it would be a good match on a sleeved built 2.0L 11:1+ CR motor match with a short geared trans and runnning the larger C38 blower to make around 450whp.
Or just freshen up the current setup and switch up a few things
convert from top mount to a Mini ram manifold
undecided yet but either get my gt3037r freshen up or go with a gtx3076r
new and more efficient intercooler setup, short charge pipes and backdoor setup to help with spool time and lower iat's with a larger core.
Possibly switch from old school skunk2 pro series Intake Mani and go with a Skunk2 Ultra street manifold.
Goal with the car now is to have a "Renaissance man" sort of build! Would like the car to do a lil bit of everything well! So street duty, road race/time attack, drag racing!
Nothing big to update honestly lol, I have been in South Korea for a bit now and will be living here for about another year so they car will be sitting until I get back stateside. Although before I left the car was burning about a quart of oil a week, didn't have time to diagnose it but compression test results came back 180-185psi across the board.
So I'm think valve stem seals or maybe even turbo seals although no oil was present in the exhaust housing nor compressor housing last time I checked.
Would like some opinions on my next setup though.
NOT A GROSSLY POPULAR OPTION, but I've been looking at the Rotrex supercharger kits and I think it would be a good match on a sleeved built 2.0L 11:1+ CR motor match with a short geared trans and runnning the larger C38 blower to make around 450whp.
Or just freshen up the current setup and switch up a few things
convert from top mount to a Mini ram manifold
undecided yet but either get my gt3037r freshen up or go with a gtx3076r
new and more efficient intercooler setup, short charge pipes and backdoor setup to help with spool time and lower iat's with a larger core.
Possibly switch from old school skunk2 pro series Intake Mani and go with a Skunk2 Ultra street manifold.
Goal with the car now is to have a "Renaissance man" sort of build! Would like the car to do a lil bit of everything well! So street duty, road race/time attack, drag racing!
#33
Re: GEN2LS's 500whp 93 octane GSR progress build
Option B I think will be best. Freshen up your GT3076R/GT3076 to some newer tech ( there are grey options available through reliable companies and sources instead of getting a GTX3076 (it's only a compressor wheel difference from what you have, and it's not even the best one.) The rest is optional. But stay turbo. :-)
So the extra $$$ for the gtx isn't worth it? What about the new Gen 2 GTX3076r's I would like similar spool if not better than what I currently have just with a higher ceiling of power potential l. Would like a turbo with the ability to push 650whp without being push to the limit.
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Yeah will probably stay turbo, I would love to try something new but from a $$$$$ standpoint turbo makes more sense.
So the extra $$$ for the gtx isn't worth it? What about the new Gen 2 GTX3076r's I would like similar spool if not better than what I currently have just with a higher ceiling of power potential l. Would like a turbo with the ability to push 650whp without being push to the limit.
So the extra $$$ for the gtx isn't worth it? What about the new Gen 2 GTX3076r's I would like similar spool if not better than what I currently have just with a higher ceiling of power potential l. Would like a turbo with the ability to push 650whp without being push to the limit.
The GT(X)30 Series still uses the same turbine wheel profile and size as your current GT3076R. That turbine wheel still has about a 24lbs/min turbine gas flow efficiency limit. Just because the compressor wheel can compress airflow like a GT35R or similar, doesn't mean that the whole turbo can do so. In this case, it doesn't matter if you're Gen I or Gen II.
If you want a smooth 650whp capable turbo, you'll need to leave the GT30 family altogether, and head up to the 68mm turbine wheel shared with the GT(X)35R series, including the GTX3576R, or even the Gen2 GTX3582R , which uses a different turbine wheel than even the Gen I GTX3582R.
Here's a small write-up from a couple of years ago when the GTX3076R (Gen I) came out, and how disappointed many were because the numbers didn't match the compressor map. This is because no one ever took account into the GT30R's exhaust wheel limits. For the size that they are, they are fantastic for what they can do... But not a solid/consistent 650whp .
https://www.enginebasics.com/Advance...0GTX3576R.html
PM me if you want to know some real affordable options available.
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#35
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Re: GEN2LS's 500whp 93 octane GSR progress build
UPDATE!!!!!!!!
Nothing big to update honestly lol,.. NOT A GROSSLY POPULAR OPTION, but I've been looking at the Rotrex supercharger kits and I think it would be a good match on a sleeved built 2.0L 11:1+ CR motor match with a short geared trans and runnning the larger C38 blower to make around 450whp...
Nothing big to update honestly lol,.. NOT A GROSSLY POPULAR OPTION, but I've been looking at the Rotrex supercharger kits and I think it would be a good match on a sleeved built 2.0L 11:1+ CR motor match with a short geared trans and runnning the larger C38 blower to make around 450whp...
Now you know you were going to get a nod for choice "B" from Shodan because you are speaking his language ... and as much as I hate to admit it, the financial path to make the change to my world is far greater than moving up in the platform that you already have, so I would have to agree with his suggestions if you are trying to be fiscally responsible.
Now, if money is no object... come on over !!! Life is great over here in the Rotrex camp and I would enjoy the company !!!
#36
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Re: GEN2LS's 500whp 93 octane GSR progress build
I too would vote for option B; but narrow down the desired power limit to what you really want (as it's at the "cross line between sizes" point at 450 vs 650) and go from there.
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Re: GEN2LS's 500whp 93 octane GSR progress build
Don't let the compressor maps of the GTX3076R fool you. MANY MANY People still don't account for the turbine gas flow limits of the turbine wheel when they decide to upgrade like that. There's a reason why Garrett and other companies have so many options; so that they can find that "in between" torque and power level they're looking for. about 570whp is about the limit of that N11 60mm GT30R exhaust wheel
The GT(X)30 Series still uses the same turbine wheel profile and size as your current GT3076R. That turbine wheel still has about a 24lbs/min turbine gas flow efficiency limit. Just because the compressor wheel can compress airflow like a GT35R or similar, doesn't mean that the whole turbo can do so. In this case, it doesn't matter if you're Gen I or Gen II.
If you want a smooth 650whp capable turbo, you'll need to leave the GT30 family altogether, and head up to the 68mm turbine wheel shared with the GT(X)35R series, including the GTX3576R, or even the Gen2 GTX3582R , which uses a different turbine wheel than even the Gen I GTX3582R.
Here's a small write-up from a couple of years ago when the GTX3076R (Gen I) came out, and how disappointed many were because the numbers didn't match the compressor map. This is because no one ever took account into the GT30R's exhaust wheel limits. For the size that they are, they are fantastic for what they can do... But not a solid/consistent 650whp .
https://www.enginebasics.com/Advance...0GTX3576R.html
PM me if you want to know some real affordable options available.
The GT(X)30 Series still uses the same turbine wheel profile and size as your current GT3076R. That turbine wheel still has about a 24lbs/min turbine gas flow efficiency limit. Just because the compressor wheel can compress airflow like a GT35R or similar, doesn't mean that the whole turbo can do so. In this case, it doesn't matter if you're Gen I or Gen II.
If you want a smooth 650whp capable turbo, you'll need to leave the GT30 family altogether, and head up to the 68mm turbine wheel shared with the GT(X)35R series, including the GTX3576R, or even the Gen2 GTX3582R , which uses a different turbine wheel than even the Gen I GTX3582R.
Here's a small write-up from a couple of years ago when the GTX3076R (Gen I) came out, and how disappointed many were because the numbers didn't match the compressor map. This is because no one ever took account into the GT30R's exhaust wheel limits. For the size that they are, they are fantastic for what they can do... But not a solid/consistent 650whp .
https://www.enginebasics.com/Advance...0GTX3576R.html
PM me if you want to know some real affordable options available.
Popular ?!? Depends on who you ask !!! I LIKE the way you are thinking... but then again, I am a bit biased since I have what you are "thinking" about doing.
Now you know you were going to get a nod for choice "B" from Shodan because you are speaking his language ... and as much as I hate to admit it, the financial path to make the change to my world is far greater than moving up in the platform that you already have, so I would have to agree with his suggestions if you are trying to be fiscally responsible.
Now, if money is no object... come on over !!! Life is great over here in the Rotrex camp and I would enjoy the company !!!
Now you know you were going to get a nod for choice "B" from Shodan because you are speaking his language ... and as much as I hate to admit it, the financial path to make the change to my world is far greater than moving up in the platform that you already have, so I would have to agree with his suggestions if you are trying to be fiscally responsible.
Now, if money is no object... come on over !!! Life is great over here in the Rotrex camp and I would enjoy the company !!!
I think 575whp I would be happy and set! Only because I know you start tearing apart gearsets once you start making over 600whp and 400+trq but would like a turbo with some headway just in case. Out of all your current manifolds you offer Greg, which one fits the bill for compact fit to accommodate a full size tucked radiator but still flow well enough to make 575whp? Mini ram?
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Interesting info Mac, thank you! So the ceiling for max power on your TR3030R is capped at 570whp?
not including your built engine etc. How much did the entire rotrex kit run you with the upgraded larger C38 blower and the custom crank pulley unit? I really, really want to try the supercharged setup because I see so many time attack cars currently kicking *** with it, but scared i'd be dissapointed with the power output/feel of car with the rotrex.
I think 575whp I would be happy and set! Only because I know you start tearing apart gearsets once you start making over 600whp and 400+trq but would like a turbo with some headway just in case. Out of all your current manifolds you offer Greg, which one fits the bill for compact fit to accommodate a full size tucked radiator but still flow well enough to make 575whp? Mini ram?
not including your built engine etc. How much did the entire rotrex kit run you with the upgraded larger C38 blower and the custom crank pulley unit? I really, really want to try the supercharged setup because I see so many time attack cars currently kicking *** with it, but scared i'd be dissapointed with the power output/feel of car with the rotrex.
I think 575whp I would be happy and set! Only because I know you start tearing apart gearsets once you start making over 600whp and 400+trq but would like a turbo with some headway just in case. Out of all your current manifolds you offer Greg, which one fits the bill for compact fit to accommodate a full size tucked radiator but still flow well enough to make 575whp? Mini ram?
Last edited by TheShodan; 09-07-2017 at 07:02 AM.
#39
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Re: GEN2LS's 500whp 93 octane GSR progress build
Not including your built engine etc. How much did the entire rotrex kit run you with the upgraded larger C38 blower and the custom crank pulley unit? I really, really want to try the supercharged setup because I see so many time attack cars currently kicking *** with it, but scared i'd be dissapointed with the power output/feel of car with the rotrex.
Now if you are worried about the "feel" of the car, make a trip down to visit and I will take you for a ride in mine.
#40
Re: GEN2LS's 500whp 93 octane GSR progress build
Since you already have a turbo kit, you would only need the basic "Race" kit... modify your charge piping slightly and add a header. MVM has the big C38 blower kits on the shelf, so call them and discuss it.
Now if you are worried about the "feel" of the car, make a trip down to visit and I will take you for a ride in mine.
Now if you are worried about the "feel" of the car, make a trip down to visit and I will take you for a ride in mine.
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Re: GEN2LS's 500whp 93 octane GSR progress build
I think 575whp I would be happy and set! Only because I know you start tearing apart gearsets once you start making over 600whp and 400+trq but would like a turbo with some headway just in case. Out of all your current manifolds you offer Greg, which one fits the bill for compact fit to accommodate a full size tucked radiator but still flow well enough to make 575whp? Mini ram?
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I don't think its necessary when a good Koyo/Fluidine half-sized can do the trick. Although I have seen and experienced one or two people with a standard Integra GS-R OEM Radiator. LOWLUDE22 in his 2.0 Litre Mini-Rammed car did that successfully. Tight squeeze, but successful.
#46
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Ah, ok. It really depends on how tall it is and how far forward it sits. When using a mini ram (or ram horn), I'd suggest just going to a 1/2 sized radiator as both the gate and turbine/compressor housing face forward of the falnge (meaning even if I moved the gate to the side, the housing offset still sits forward of the flange).
#47
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A friend of mine had a built b series Integra with a procharger on it and it was awesome. It felt like a 300whp n/a k series was under the hood. I loved it but it didn't feel boosted, per say. If you like the feeling of boost onset and the characteristics of a turbo engine, go turbo. If you like the idea of a boosted b series that feels like a 2.5-2.7 500whp na k series, AND you have a less limited budget, go rotrex.
#48
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A friend of mine had a built b series Integra with a procharger on it and it was awesome. It felt like a 300whp n/a k series was under the hood. I loved it but it didn't feel boosted, per say. If you like the feeling of boost onset and the characteristics of a turbo engine, go turbo. If you like the idea of a boosted b series that feels like a 2.5-2.7 500whp na k series, AND you have a less limited budget, go rotrex.
It felt like "a 300whp K" due to the linear power the SC is going to make/makes. That can also be achieved with a turbocharger for those that like that kind of feel/power. I don't know about the "B series that feels like a 500whp NA K" part.
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It would cost more to put a complete supercharger kit on a car than it would to turbocharge it.
Im aware of that.
It felt like "a 300whp K" due to the linear power the SC is going to make/makes.
Aware of this as well.
I don't know about the "B series that feels like a 500whp NA K" part.
I imagine with the linear power band and it making his goal of 570ish hp, it would feel very "N/a like." Maybe i should have said itll feel like 500whp N/A?? and left out the k series part? Either way, it wont feel like a 500+ hp turbo car, and it wont feel like a 500 hp roots blower car, itll feel very much like an all motor build. Thats all im saying
Im aware of that.
It felt like "a 300whp K" due to the linear power the SC is going to make/makes.
Aware of this as well.
I don't know about the "B series that feels like a 500whp NA K" part.
I imagine with the linear power band and it making his goal of 570ish hp, it would feel very "N/a like." Maybe i should have said itll feel like 500whp N/A?? and left out the k series part? Either way, it wont feel like a 500+ hp turbo car, and it wont feel like a 500 hp roots blower car, itll feel very much like an all motor build. Thats all im saying