http://www.overboost.com/story_intro.asp?id=1118


Modified by Armaan at 10:45 AM 8/28/2003

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Overboost.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Our desktop dyno software tells us this baby should be cranking out well over 300 horsepower on crappy 91-octane California fuels! (Even jaded journalists need something to look forward to!)</TD></TR></TABLE>

All that for a motor that's going to be making 300whp on pump gas? It's been done, it's doesn't take years.

If someone who wasn't into our cars read that article, they'de be like...honda's are only making 300whp..that sucks.


Modified by MaxBoost at 12:01 PM 8/27/2003

 

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Since the cams are for a turbo-specific application, these lash settings will allow the valves to leak some peak combustion pressure. A little-known trick that delays the onset of detonation—allowing the use of more timing and more boost

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any experienced tuners care to comment on this? the quote is from the article linked above.

 

Actually, I think 300 hp is darn good for 91 octane.

I used to work near Dynamic Autosports in Irvine, CA. Never once saw a B-series pull more than about 255 whp on pump. And in this article it's a straight LS.

 

I am interested to see the output and if they make what their software says.

300whp is pretty impressive for a all motor 1.8 non vtec on 91.

 

yea no kidding 91 octane sucks ***. I doubt its an allmotor with 9.2:1 making 300whp hehe

 

In the old articles they said it was going to be turbo...

Plus, it has GEM sleeves.

 

i can almost bet that it is gonna make well over 380whp. 300whp is an underestimate. i'll tell ya how much i'm gonna make on my B18B1 with a similar setup and Hondata.

 

well then... not so impressive with the turbo.

 

To be frank, the motor is built for 600 HP. I wanted to "over-build" the engine to make it as stout as possible, just in case. When Scott said that it would make 300WHP on 91 Octane, he was being conservative. A lot of people (both on and off this board) say that they put down 300WHP, which is fine. However, the 300WHP figure will be made with 8-9 PSI, and with the AEM 5 Bar map and proper tuning at R&D Dyno, the sky is the limit.

Every component of the engine has been replaced/upgraded with something more durable than stock. No expense was spared. Obviously, we retained a few OEM parts, such as the ITR oil pump and LS H20 pump. Mike at MotorMatrix.com has a EK that, in my opinion, [has] set the benchmark for a solid street car, that he actually drives. He just didn't hit a big number on the dyno and then park it.

For obvious reasons, his car utilizes a VTEC head. Ours does not. We could have easily gone with a LS/VTEC setup, but we decided to do something different. How else will engine building evolve? That's all it is. Our goal is to push the limits of the non-VTEC cylinder head/engine, point blank.

With help from the Honda-Tech Rat Pack [Arturbo (Art), DIRep972 (Chris), MotorMatrix (Mike), FFGeoff (Geoff), and b18bturbo (Viren)], we feel that we have a pretty well built engine that will make a few believers along the way. I feel that 450WHP and 350 FT/LBS is not out of the question. Only time will tell.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Armaan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I feel that 450WHP and 350 FT/LBS is not out of the question. Only time will tell.</TD></TR></TABLE>Nobody's ever done that before on a straight LS?

 

I don't know for sure...I heard that you were hitting 400WHP. I don't have all the facts...please, divulge.

 

Yea cheezefrog's LS setup is pretty crazy and still has A/C

What i'd like to see is a sleeved big bore b16 with a deckplate, big bore, big crank, long rods.

 

how bout we put an h22 crank in a b16 and deck it and bore it to a 84.5mm?

 

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Since the cams are for a turbo-specific application, these lash settings will allow the valves to leak some peak combustion pressure. A little-known trick that delays the onset of detonation—allowing the use of more timing and more boost


any experienced tuners care to comment on this? the quote is from the article linked above. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Sounds like a miller cycle type design.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Armaan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't know for sure...I heard that you were hitting 400WHP. I don't have all the facts...please, divulge.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I came pretty close. 430@22psi. Cranked it up to 28psi but never dyno'd at that boost level. Then I had a 75hp shot of nitrous on top of that. But the stock sleeves didn't like it very much

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Armaan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Mike at MotorMatrix.com has a EK that, in my opinion, [has] set the benchmark for a solid street car, that he actually drives. He just didn't hit a big number on the dyno and then park it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i agree good luck with the setup

 

Thanks Marc. CheezeFrog (what's your real name dude?!), what turbo/manifold are you using?

 

Wait a minute. All of the fast guys back in the early and mid 90's were runing b18a/b's. I can't believe that none of those cars didn't make more then 450hp.

What about that silver crx that use to win all the races (I think first into the 12's and 11's)? and that Miles Bautista 1st gen crx? Michael Fuucks white integra? Popaboners black civic? They all ran straght b18s.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Armaan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks Marc. CheezeFrog (what's your real name dude?!), what turbo/manifold are you using?</TD></TR></TABLE>I just PM'd you my setup. My real name is CheezeFrog. j/k it's Cary. I don't think you will have problems making 300whp on pump gas with a straight LS. Over 400whp has been done on a straight LS on pump gas before. st00pid tuned mine to 340whp on pump (93oct) at like 16psi.

 

Holy ****. On stock sleeves. Amazing. BTW, who is sleeving your block?

 

Those guys are at it again... another engine article, it's a CR-VTEC:

http://www.overboost.com/story.asp?id=1119

 

stock sleeves have seen more than that

 

GEM is sleeving my new block. As I mentioned in my PM, if you get that thing running strong with the sc61, you just might be the fastest LS powered car around. The key to making power on that motor is the head. Good luck with it!

 

Setting expectations high only sets you up for dissapointment. Armaan has put together a very smart and well thought out combination of parts and I think he will be more then happy with the #'s. also, sometimes its about more then just #'s!