penjaja

Anyone saw the engine block made by Payn Tech/Dartheads that is shown in this month's copy of HCI? Do you think it's as reliable as honda's block? I'm planning to purchase one, just wondering if it's worth the money. Any opinions are appreciated. TIA

P.S. What I meant by reliability is, is it gonna be as reliable as the ones resleeved by golden eagle? BTW the block cost 'bout USD2100++


[Modified by penjaja, 3:23 PM 7/1/2002]

newsense

If I had endless money I would buy one. But I dont so GOLDEN EAGLE all the way

CovertFI

do you have any pics of this or links. i wanna see!!

penjaja

Well I don't have a link or pic of it. Here are some info I can remember of the top of my head.

It's suppose to be able to bolt on to any tegs and it's an aluminium block, it has a taller deck( is that the right spelling? deck) bigger bore and it has larger water jackets. Stock bore is also available. It also has replacable iron sleeve. I think that's it. I'll have to check the HCI Mag again to see if I missed anything.

int3gra

http://www.payntechnologies.com/hondablock.html

Bnjmn

Tom Payn said it had stronger webbing, so it should be more reliable than the stock block in ultra high HP apps.

justagsr

Yeah, I talked to Payn at one of the NOPI nationals and the block looks sweeeet, at least from the pics. Of course he only had good things to say about it.

<---getting block sleeved at the moment
<-------near future, maybe dart block?

TurboCivicSi

It looks great, but the entire reason Honda uses an Open deck design is for it's superior ability to scavenge heat away from the combustion chamber..

For this reason, GEMfg. Design thier sleeve supports below the chamber to retain the stock cooling characteristics.. The Dart block does not do this..

Though I am happy to see someone making these.. It makes for a promising forcast for our sports future.

-Jason

penjaja

I thought the payn/dart block does retain the open deck design. It was mentioned that it has a larger water jacket than honda's oem block.

If it is selling for USD2100, it's USD1200 more than going to GE's sleeve right? If you sell your leftovers such as your OEM block, pistons , etc you could at least get back 600 right? That's USD600 more than going the GE route. Thus is USD600 worth the money for a block that's pretty much, more flexible than the OEM block?

VaporTrail

let no one forget that, strength aside, this is a very important and expensive piece for our sport.

Important because, we no longer have to rely on salvage yards, friends, etc to get blocks. Now we can just buy them.

Expensive because, remember, these are BARE blocks. They have no cranks, oil pumps, water lines, mount brackets, main seals, water pumps, tensioner, crank cogs, sensors etc. Its as basic as it gets, and you'll either have to purchase these items new, or salvage them from an old block, if available.


[Modified by VaporTrail, 11:21 AM 7/12/2002]

sleepercivic

listen heres the deal i used to deal with payne and the owner tom payne is a jack sometimes such as jacking up prices higher than what they should be, trust me on this just go threw darton i will be easier and then you wont have to pay paynes commission, plus if they touch it you will get his curse which is blowing up almost every car he worked on, mine for instance
TERRY

penjaja

I agree that it's both important and expensive. The bottom line is would you do it(buy the Payn/Dart block) if you already have a complete B17a and you wanna build it up for FI ?

Sleepercivic : the above question was written b'4 I saw your post. I'll like to know more about your experience with payn. What did they do after damaging your civic?


[Modified by penjaja, 10:15 PM 7/1/2002]

BoostinDC2

i thought the block came with main caps and thats it?

penjaja

anyone got more info/opinion?

markaria

yes more about the painful expeience (s) with Payn (ha ha) please

Payntech

This reply is to clear up any misconceptions about the Dart/Payn Honda block vs. the stock Honda block.

Honda uses an open deck design block, not for cooling, but for ease of manufacturing. Since the block is die cast and not sand cast the dies have to be able to be released from the part. This is the reason for open decks... cost. There are many cast iron and aluminum blocks that are closed deck and run with no cooling problems.

The block will come with billet steel main caps, ductile iron sleeves, high tensile main bolts, plugs for the water jackets, and a dipstick.

The idea is that most people will aready have a VTEC engine to take most of these parts from, since they will also need a VTEC head (or non VTEC head).

If anyone has any questions, or concerns, please feel free to contact us at any time.


Thanks,

Tom
Payn Technologies, Inc.
(248) 362-0283
http://www.payntechnologies.com



[Modified by Payntech, 4:07 PM 7/12/2002]

b18bturbo

very good cant wait to see them

Gmedalion

Me either....right Viren

Payntech

Terry/sleepercivic,

I am not going to get into it with you on a public bulletin board. If you have something that you would like talk about please give me a call.

About our tuning of cars... We have tuned 8 cars in the last two weeks, 6 of them were out of state with an average drive time of 6 hours, 6 of them were turbo's, everyone is happy, and none of them have blown up.


Thanks,

Tom
Payn Technologies, Inc.
(248) 362-0283
http://www.payntechnologies.com

stizzit

Need more shops!!!!

Gmedalion

The real question is when will it pass racing sunctions and when will it be available??

Arturbo

Last I heard, yes.

BoostinDC2

they will be allowed but 2000 blocks must be sold in order for them to be legal.