Hey guys i am getting everything together for a build and the next thing on my list is engine managment... I am doing a b18c1 eagle rods, wiseco 9 to 1 pistons, honda bearings, buddyclub valve springs retainers and valves. It is going to be turbo'd just dont know all the details on it yet. I am aiming for 500 whp. I have a power fc with a commander already. Do you think this will be sufficient for what I am doing or do I need to junk it and go with another ems?

 

personally i'd get something else...

i have hondata s200 with boost opt. for sale for 200

 

so whats the big difference between that and the s300?

what are the pros and cons of the s200 w/ boost?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BMO98GSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so whats the big difference between that and the s300?

what are the pros and cons of the s200 w/ boost?</TD></TR></TABLE>

not sure i've always used neptune... i'm sure someone will chime in and let you know i know s300 cost quite a bit more though

 

Have you looked at chrome, or uberdata etc. ??

 

NepTune RTP is $200 less than the S300 and gives you real-time tunability with a lot of comparable features, but I may be slightly biased here.

Do research on both and see how you like each of the softwares before choosing one or the other.

 

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not too many reputable shops tune crome or uberdata

 

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not too many reputable shops tune crome or uberdata</TD></TR></TABLE>

A few still do, but I wouldn't use it on a setup that he has. I always recommend Neptune RTP or go to the Neptune dealer near you.

You can't beat the price for the RTP, and it gives you all the options (that actually work) to allow you to tune your car to its potential.

 

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not too many reputable shops tune crome or uberdata</TD></TR></TABLE>

Kingmotorsport does.
Whipfactory does.

Midwest tuners.
I'm sure you know king..Good or bad, you've heard of them.

 

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Kingmotorsport does.
Whipfactory does.

Midwest tuners.
I'm sure you know king..Good or bad, you've heard of them. </TD></TR></TABLE>
no reputable tuners in texas tune that crap and no i haven't heard of king

 

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no reputable tuners in texas tune that crap and no i haven't heard of king</TD></TR></TABLE>

O snap..
They are the only authorized north american mugen retailer, and they are in wisconsin.

Lolz but I am still looking into a tuner for myself in teh area, haven't decided where I want to go...

 

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O snap..
They are the only authorized north american mugen retailer, and they are in wisconsin.

Lolz but I am still looking into a tuner for myself in teh area, haven't decided where I want to go...</TD></TR></TABLE>

mugen..... over priced crapola.... lol

 

So I take it that everyone is saying get rid of the power fc?

Do you know if you can pass the obII emissions if I use hondata or neptune?

 

Get an FC Datalogit and keep the PFC IMHO. It can work quite well if set up by a competent tuner. None of these solutions will allow you to remain OBDII compliant.

 

if you can find someone to tune it, your good

 

You could just sell the PFC pocket some money and use eCtune or crome for that setup. Since your in NC, my recommendations are,

eCtune
Joseph Davis:
Blueridge Motorsports and Morganton
Location: Morgantown, NC
Phone: (828) 433-4545

Crome
Larry Stevenson
East Coast Performance
Location: Jacksonville, NC

Kevin Thackston
Imports Plus
Location: Jacksonville, NC

If you choose to use Crome then pm me and I'll get you their numbers since I can't find it atm, my phone isn't anywhere to be found.

Also on the emissions testing. Just throw in stock injectors and a stock ecu, once the engine is fully warmed up and you'll pass after a few miles if nothing else is jacked up. Just don't have a heavy foot and you'll be good.

 

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Do you know if you can pass the obII emissions if I use hondata or neptune?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yep, ditch it. You won't be able to pass obd2 emissions due to the obd1 conversion. What I usually do with set-ups like this that need to pass emissions is swap out the injectors, ecu, and pull the wg spring when it comes time to do emissions. Just make sure and keep it out of boost. To be extra safe you can retard the dizzy timing and throw on a fmu temporarily. RC engineering has obd2-obd1 injector clips now which makes the swap easy as pie.

 

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Yep, ditch it. You won't be able to pass obd2 emissions due to the obd1 conversion. What I usually do with set-ups like this that need to pass emissions is swap out the injectors, ecu, and pull the wg spring when it comes time to do emissions. Just make sure and keep it out of boost. To be extra safe you can retard the dizzy timing and throw on a fmu temporarily. RC engineering has obd2-obd1 injector clips now which makes the swap easy as pie.</TD></TR></TABLE>

So what do you think I should tune it with. There is no way to get it to pass OBII with any stand-alone correct?

 

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So what do you think I should tune it with. There is no way to get it to pass OBII with any stand-alone correct?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Basically