count me in if you come to norcal.... also know of a few other ppl interested.

 

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okay. I'll buy the dyno you and Art can put the shop together.

that way we can hold tons of EFI classes all throughout the year and you guys will always have a real dyno to use for tuning.

Anyone else think thats a good idea? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Sounds like a good idea to me

 

That sure is a lot of trips to Washington. I'll be there for sure since I missed the last one in Yakima.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey Ben, why don't we open a shop here in Dallas and install a dyno dynamics dyno? You could teach your classes there and we can provide people with reliable and professional dyno tuning. I'm sure we could get a couple cars here and there to dyno, what do ya think?</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EFIGUY &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

okay. I'll buy the dyno you and Art can put the shop together.

that way we can hold tons of EFI classes all throughout the year and you guys will always have a real dyno to use for tuning.

Anyone else think thats a good idea? </TD></TR></TABLE>

I think that would be a great idea.

 

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We like to use cars that don't make lots of power so that its harder for you turkeys to blow 'em up for us!

BTW Geoffrey will be teaching that advanced class. Were you happy with him as an instructor?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes I was. One question though, does your book go more in depth into theory? You only gave out one of them, thats my only complaint.

 

actually no.

The seminar has way more theory than the book, but the book spends a lot more time talking about the differences between different EFI system brands

 

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okay. I'll buy the dyno you and Art can put the shop together.

that way we can hold tons of EFI classes all throughout the year and you guys will always have a real dyno to use for tuning.

Anyone else think thats a good idea? </TD></TR></TABLE>

You know it sounds like a good idea to me Ben.

 

well, ****, if you buy texas, the land of steers and queers, a dyno, you have to buy florida a dyno, and ill make sure people come too

im sure you can get a hell of a deal buying two dynos haha

 

Dyno group buy, anyone?

 

LOL, I'm in!

Who else?

 

im in for norcal

 

Just out of curiosity........would anyone be interested in....

I'm very closely considering placing several full time facilities around the USA for EFI University next year.

One on the east coast, one in texas, and one in SoCal

These would be places with a dyno full time and a practice behicle with standalone EFI, so that we could begin holding longer class sessions than the typical 1 to 1.5 day seminars.

At first we would begin having one week classes that encompass as much theory and hands on as possible from basic theory, to advanced theory, actual practice on the dyno, using and understanding the oscilloscope for diagnosis and set-up, and using and viewing cylinder pressure data for learning how to tune more effectively.

The week would consist of lots of lab excercises with students getting tons of valuable hands-on experience in wiring, setting up, and tuning EFI systems on the dyno.

We would still do the weekend seminars of EFI-101 and Advanced, but this would allow us to take the time to really get in-depth with theory and also give each student a lot more practical real world tuning experience.

We would charge enough for the course so that the lodging for the week would be included at a local hotel since we can work out a student discount with them.

Eventually as we grow we can continually add topics and length to the curriculum until we end up with a two year rogram like UTI or WYO tech.

Anybody think this is a good idea?

More importantly, would anyone actually pay to do the school?

 

i would in a heartbeat. wouldn't even think twice and yes i would pay(i say that only because no one around here offers anything like that. would u offer some kind of "certification" persay. edit, nevermind.....u said it at the end of the post.

 

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Anybody think this is a good idea?

More importantly, would anyone actually pay to do the school?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think that what you just posted would be a great idea, and would give many people the opportunity to learn in depth the correct theories, and methods of tuning. As far as paying for the school it will just come down to what the price is. If it's as reasonable as the EFI classes are now, then I wouldn't see there being any problem with it especially if you are going to be working lodging into the deal for those that do not live locally. Just my .02.

 

I would be interested, but I think cost would be the deal breaker.

I mean, I keep having problems saving enough to go to EFI101 alone, let alone an entire week long class

Of course, other ppls finances are probably in better shape than mine, but still.

 

I'm sure a week long class that includes lodging will be considerably more than a 2 day class w/o lodging. I do think it's a good idea though, and the people who are serious about being tuners will definitely take advantage of it. Think about it, you will learn in a week what would normally take years and years to learn. What's that worth to you?

 

I would go (especially i the EFI U was in FL)

 

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Tony's right. Think about it this way.... people spend $3k to go to Skip Barber's racing school and they will have about a one in ten-million shot at ever becoming a real paid professional race driver. And that school is only 2-3 days without lodging or meals!

Lets say that you could pay that kind of money and attend a hardcore, hands-on weeklong "bootcamp" for EFI, with tons of actual practice on a live dyno and leave with a real ability to be a professional engine tuner and also have all your lodging and at least one meal a day included!

That seems like a heck of a deal to me. If I wasn't teaching it....I'd sign up

 

I'd sign up you could use my car as a test car to

 

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Tony's right. Think about it this way.... people spend $3k to go to Skip Barber's racing school and they will have about a one in ten-million shot at ever becoming a real paid professional race driver. And that school is only 2-3 days without lodging or meals!

Lets say that you could pay that kind of money and attend a hardcore, hands-on weeklong "bootcamp" for EFI, with tons of actual practice on a live dyno and leave with a real ability to be a professional engine tuner and also have all your lodging and at least one meal a day included!

That seems like a heck of a deal to me. If I wasn't teaching it....I'd sign up </TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree 100%...but let me ask you this: is your target demographic the same as Skip Barber's? I am thinking it is possible you are targeting a slightly younger/slightly poorer crowd.

I think the idea is great and if I had the means I would jump on it in a heartbeat...but as a business owner you need to make sure that that the people not only have the desire, they have the financial ability as well.

The question isn't always "would you pay", sometimes it's "can you pay"

Again, just my opinion.

**EDIT: I know of a mountain bike (mechanic/frame builder) school that has a similar setup to what you are talking about. 1-2 week classes, live on-site (or in local hotel), etc. They are priced at aroune 2k per class I believe (with your average student walking out with a 6-8k bill). Anyways, they are obviously not an accredited university so they don't offer normal federal loan programs, but they were able to strike a deal with a private loan company that offered "student loans" at decent interest. Much less than your typical credit card. This might be an option...

 

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Interesting.

 

I think having 'authorized trade school' status bumps you up into some sort of category...you know like the cosmotology schools and crap like that.

Sorry I am not a lot of info, but that's all I know

Would the week long class include everything in efi101/advanced/wiring class/trackside data acquisition?

I think it would be cool as hell...

I also think it would be nice to have some breakout classes dealing specifically with certain EMS systems. One for AEM, one for FAST, etc.

That, or find a way that the graduate of this long class would be able to attend the company classes (like they have at AEM). As I understand it to take these classes now you have to have verifiable shop experience.

 

We are getting more and more relationships with the manufacturers that will allow you to get brand specific training for various ECUs

Right now we are working with:
Autronic
Haltech
FAST
to build dealer level training courses and also end-user training stuff as well!

We are also talking to several other manufacturers to gain their product lines as well

 

What about Hondata?

 

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I believe hondata has their own training.

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