88 EF Hatch

alright so here is my dilemma, this is the first motor i am ever building, so i am still a newbie when it comes to matching up the right parts. I just bought pro series gsr head built by jge. Here are the specs:

"Head is taken apart and inspected, head is cleaned, fully ported and polished to optimize flow while maintaining velocity. The port work is maximized for the size of valve we use. See note below. The heads also come with Hi performance valve springs and Titanium retainers, the head is resurfaced, We install stainless steel valves, new valve stem seals, multi angle valve job in Sunnen VGS machine, unshrowded to bore size and assembled. Most of the head heads we sell are our Pro Series heads. These heads are simply the best there is. These are definatly what we recomend for turbocharged or NOS use.

B series V tec heads $1400.00, Average flow with 34mm intake valves 312cfm, and with 28.5mm exhaust valves 245cfm"

I am building motor to boost it, so im debating what manifold to buy. JGE custom makes their manifolds, and i figure since they did the port job, they will match the manifold to the head. Here are the specs on the JGE manifolds:

"This new manifold design is a result of many, many hours on the flow bench and dyno. With our Pro series GSR head using std size valves we have achieved 318cfm intake flow @ 28'' and at a lift of only 500''. With our Pro series GEN2 head using 34mm intake valves we have reached 326cfm @ 28'' at only 500'' lift.

These manifolds are for race use only. $650.00 and made to order. Appx 2-3 weeks.
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And then there is the Edelbrock Victor X manifold which is a lot cheaper about 250-300 dollars. Which one will be my better bet? can i get some help please?

kyden

i wouldn't even bother with jg.. shady company!

90Rexx

did they make that manifold with a coffee can? looks cheap... stick to something thats passed the test of time

88 EF Hatch

ok so just stick with victor x manifold? will that manifold still provide enough airflow for my ported head?

I.C.C.

The Victor X is tried and true... You can make gobs of power on it without modification (port matching to head and throttle body is an option and will yield gains, but it is not needed) , and being that its cast with no welded seams to worry about, it will last forever... I have seen many cars over the years make 700, 800, and 900+whp on the Victor X manifold... And I know of people who have been running the same one for 10years... Cheap, effective, and reliable... Thats a win in my book...

methodz55

isnt t1 using a ported victor x ??? if so thats ur answer

TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

Boy, that looks nastier than his earliest version in 1999-2000. yikes.

LightningTeg

You know its good because he used diamond plate on the ends!

TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

Ain't THAT a bitch?

TheShodan

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88 EF Hatch

alright everyone is saying to go with the victor x and that is what i am going to do, thanks for the help you guys

narfdanarf

I wouldn't care if I picked up 200whp by switching to the JGE, I would never let javier have 1 penny of my money after all the people he's screwed over.

ahobbs

What about the golden eagle manifold? Longer runners and velocity stacks?

88 EF Hatch

is he really that bad? well i came up cuz i bought one of his pro series gsr heads for only $780 with 0 miles

88 EF Hatch

so is the golden eagle a better manifold?

ahobbs

well it has all the signs for a better manifold.

dustin528

victor x FTW!!! I have one for both heads! gsr and b16! :p

TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

Golden Eagle manifolds do QUITE well, and are on par with the Edlebrock from my experience.

As for that $780 JG head. Make sure it is rechecked by an experienced machinist before assembly. I have the feeling you'll want to do that..

88 EF Hatch

Why do you think i should get it rechecked? I was gonna take it to a machine shop any ways to have my rocker arms re adjusted cuz the guy that i bought head from didnt mark rocker arms so i want to get them done right.

TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

Simple. Because I don't trust Javier's work as far as I could spit over the years. Get the entire cylinder head checked from his work. Or don't.. its your car. just telling you from 10 years of bullshit from JG "Engine Dynamics".

88 EF Hatch

na man if someone is telling me to get it checked than I will, so what will the machinist be checking? do I just tell him "hey I just bought this built head and I would like for you to do an complete inspection on the head to make sure it was built correctly?" Is that sufficient? or do I have to tell him to do something specific? the vtec oil galley was tapped and plugged, since it was going to be used on an ls block, so do I need that checked? exactly what do I need to tell the machinist?

88 EF Hatch

This is the tapped vtec oil galley on intake side



here is more pics of head


here is another pic

88 EF Hatch

so ive been doing research and am now ****en realizing that maybe i shouldnt have bought that head. So by checking all his work you mean, have a machinist double check that all the valve seals and valve guides were installed properly, to make sure that the head was milled right and not at an angle, what else needs to be checked? they are std sized valves so is there anything else? could the valves have been installed wrong?

TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

If he is a machinist specializing in cylinder heads and is familiar with Hondas, then yes, have him double check all of that.. He will know what else to check for as well. If he's worthy, he'll know what to look for during the inspection. The valve angle is important, not so important as the valve stem seal install, guide install, resurface of the head, etc.

I'm not trying to scare you.. Its just, I don't trust JG's work. Haven't since '02

88 EF Hatch

well he has checked my stock head before, I will ask if he is really familiar with hondas, the your saying that the valve angle is more an important than the other stuff? appreciate your help man, so i will tell him to double check everything. Yea apparently Javier sucks ***