Ebay Turbo DO Suck....
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Any turbo will last with the correct Maintenence. You can see an Ebay turbo at for 5 years with a good owner and a Garrett last for 5 days with s crappy owner. It's all about how you maintain it.
The simple fact is that people are more willing to beat the crap out of their $150 Ebay turbo than they are their $800 Garrett turb. The high premiums for Garretts drive away the would-be beaters to the $150 ebay turbo. then the people who aren't willing to pay for quality up front and quality while they are using it complain because their turbo ate the compressor wheel or what not.
but some kid who just graduated high school and got a garrett turbo as a present maybe can't or doesn't feel like putting quality synthetic oil in can break it just as if it was an ebay turbo. then they bitch that they wasted 800 bucks on a good turbo.
however, some guy may not be able to afford th big upfront cost, but is willing to pay for good synthetic oil may have a turbo that lasts forever.
moral of the story is take care of your stuff, no matter what the upfront cost, and it will take care of you.
The simple fact is that people are more willing to beat the crap out of their $150 Ebay turbo than they are their $800 Garrett turb. The high premiums for Garretts drive away the would-be beaters to the $150 ebay turbo. then the people who aren't willing to pay for quality up front and quality while they are using it complain because their turbo ate the compressor wheel or what not.
but some kid who just graduated high school and got a garrett turbo as a present maybe can't or doesn't feel like putting quality synthetic oil in can break it just as if it was an ebay turbo. then they bitch that they wasted 800 bucks on a good turbo.
however, some guy may not be able to afford th big upfront cost, but is willing to pay for good synthetic oil may have a turbo that lasts forever.
moral of the story is take care of your stuff, no matter what the upfront cost, and it will take care of you.
i've only rebuilt mine once a year just to be safe. it WAS NOT in need of a rebuild, i just did it because i wanted to. and i NEVER got it balanced, no problems at all and most of all it does not smoke at all
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Re: Ebay Turbo DO Suck....
So what about all those OEM cars whose owners just change the oil everynow and then and just get in and drive them with no regard to maintanence? Those turbos dont explode...
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our cars push 70+ psi of oil pressure to a turbo that wasnt designed to see more than 15-30psi......and people wonder why honda's blow out oil seals on the regular.
90% of turbo failure boil down to instalation error, name brand or not. i wish people would realize this and stop with the "ebay turbos are junk" thing.
bandwagons....get on board, or spend your time blowing them the f@ck up.
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I didn't realize this. So all Garrett, BW, turbonetics, etc turbos are designed to see less than 30psi? Do you have a guide that shows which size restirctor is needed for a given base pressure?
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i use a -3an feed and an .030 restrictor on all the turbo setups i do...i have not experienced a single bearing/shaft failure from too little oil, nor have i had a turbo start smoking on me from to much oil. matter of fact the last 2 ebay turbo's i used, looked MINT when removed and sold (and still running perfectly today) no scientific evidence, or charts, or bandwagon info, just personal experience.
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those cars are setup with adequete oil pressure to the teeny tiny turbo (read: teeny tiny oil seals) along with being water cooled
our cars push 70+ psi of oil pressure to a turbo that wasnt designed to see more than 15-30psi......and people wonder why honda's blow out oil seals on the regular.
90% of turbo failure boil down to instalation error, name brand or not. i wish people would realize this and stop with the "ebay turbos are junk" thing.
bandwagons....get on board, or spend your time blowing them the f@ck up.
our cars push 70+ psi of oil pressure to a turbo that wasnt designed to see more than 15-30psi......and people wonder why honda's blow out oil seals on the regular.
90% of turbo failure boil down to instalation error, name brand or not. i wish people would realize this and stop with the "ebay turbos are junk" thing.
bandwagons....get on board, or spend your time blowing them the f@ck up.
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i dont have a guide. the best way is to contact the mfg of your turbo, find out the optimum psi rating, and put an adjustable ball valve in your feed line with a psi guage.
i use a -3an feed and an .030 restrictor on all the turbo setups i do...i have not experienced a single bearing/shaft failure from too little oil, nor have i had a turbo start smoking on me from to much oil. matter of fact the last 2 ebay turbo's i used, looked MINT when removed and sold (and still running perfectly today) no scientific evidence, or charts, or bandwagon info, just personal experience.
i use a -3an feed and an .030 restrictor on all the turbo setups i do...i have not experienced a single bearing/shaft failure from too little oil, nor have i had a turbo start smoking on me from to much oil. matter of fact the last 2 ebay turbo's i used, looked MINT when removed and sold (and still running perfectly today) no scientific evidence, or charts, or bandwagon info, just personal experience.
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and yes diesels run larger turbos.....they run holsets, and holesets are some of the strongest turbo's you will ever come across.
bottom line is an OEM turbo car is better setup for a turbocharger than cars that arent. the rest of my post is the important part, the teeny tiny part was the teeny tiny bit of sarcasm i added.....
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The oil rings are designed to handle up to 60psi pressure on most make turbos. its like a piston ring reall mor than a seal. but 60 psi is max an are best operated on 25-30 psi of oil pressure
and in diesel applications there manditory to run rotella T oil which is also a large factor in the longevity of the engines and turbos
and in diesel applications there manditory to run rotella T oil which is also a large factor in the longevity of the engines and turbos
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Re: Ebay Turbo DO Suck....
The oil rings are designed to handle up to 60psi pressure on most make turbos. its like a piston ring reall mor than a seal. but 60 psi is max an are best operated on 25-30 psi of oil pressure
and in diesel applications there manditory to run rotella T oil which is also a large factor in the longevity of the engines and turbos
and in diesel applications there manditory to run rotella T oil which is also a large factor in the longevity of the engines and turbos
every diesel engine that i have worked on whether it be a consumer or commercial grade engine uses 15w40
hondas do carry more oil pressure than most vehicles, especially when us guys shim them, i know my d16 will carry approximately 80 psi at 8000rpms when hot, cold i wouldn't be suprised if the pressure would break my cheap *** sunpro gauge lol
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Re: Ebay Turbo DO Suck....
The oil rings are designed to handle up to 60psi pressure on most make turbos. its like a piston ring reall mor than a seal. but 60 psi is max an are best operated on 25-30 psi of oil pressure
and in diesel applications there manditory to run rotella T oil which is also a large factor in the longevity of the engines and turbos
and in diesel applications there manditory to run rotella T oil which is also a large factor in the longevity of the engines and turbos
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Re: Ebay Turbo DO Suck....
1. "a turbine wheel is a turbine wheel is a turbine wheel"
it doesn't matter if its made in china or somewhere else,
2. "ebay turbos" don't "suck". every single failure is caused by improper install/poor maintenance
3. I call BS on "pieces of turbo got sucked into the motor" that is HIGHLY unlikely.
4. Should have torqued the nut before you put the turbo on the car and it wouldn't have happened.
it doesn't matter if its made in china or somewhere else,
2. "ebay turbos" don't "suck". every single failure is caused by improper install/poor maintenance
3. I call BS on "pieces of turbo got sucked into the motor" that is HIGHLY unlikely.
4. Should have torqued the nut before you put the turbo on the car and it wouldn't have happened.
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i have been told many times too about ebay turbos being useless, the best thing i would do is steer clear and purchase the kit and have it installed by the same company and try to get some sort of warranty. Place in the UK offers the kit for maybe double the price of the ebay kits but is all covered with a warranty. IMO can't go wrong.
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Re: Ebay Turbo DO Suck....
after reading this thread, I am convinced and will be buying an Ebay turbo kit from Ilovetacotaco. I will probably switch out some parts like the ebay wastegate with a Tial, and make sure it has a proper size oil restrictor and proper grade oil.
thanks for all the good info/experiences
thanks for all the good info/experiences