I just had a quick question. Why are eagle rods so much cheaper than the competition such as say, carillos or pauter?

 

Would also like to know, but I'm adding in Manley and Crower.

 

Eagle has been around for a while, and eagle is considered an okay quality rod for low-mid horsepower hondas, but they have been doing domestics for years. My theory is that they have been race proven, and dyno proven, but in the end are still the same as a no name ebay brand H-beam from china. Yes eagle has been in 500+hp hondas, but above that they fail, and their rods seem to do better in the NA community. Because they have been around for a while, and they are not the strongest most high tech. rods, so they can be offered at a low price. But I'm willing to bet if you took an ebay H-beam rod and dyno tested it again a eagle rod, the strenght/longevity is about equal, they are the same 4340 steel. That's just my thoughts, I have my flame suit on, but It makes sense to me. The name EAGLE is proven, so we keep buying them, but if an ebay rod maker becomes know, then his rod will become name brand.

 

id like you to show me all of these "failing" eagle rods.

When you sell 5 times as much of a product as a competing company it becomes easier to sell your product for less. last I checked the eagles were rated to 900bhp, not saying id push them there but thats coming from the manufactorer.

and just out of curiousity what makes a domestic rod different than an import rod????

 

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x2

 

not only does selling a larger quantity of rods allow you to sell it at a more affordable price....it also raises the chances of you " hearing one failed"

is like saying 2000 civics crashed last year and only 10 lamborghinis crahsed....there are 100 times more civic than lambos on the sreet so odds are civics will crash more


ps: 617 whp 440 tq on eagle rods for 18 months........previously they were used on my all motor car for 1 year......

 

people are making 400hp+ on stock rods now. It's all in the tune.

 

i want to see some eagle rods that have failed due to manufactering. i mean any rod can fail due to installation... and 99% of the time the builder wont admit that its his fault, but that it was the cheaper rods fault.

 

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Tolerances.

 

usually it is people trying to get monsterous h.p. numbers out of a rod with a 5/16ths bolt.

personally i have beat the snot out of my crower billets for the past 5 years. i havent decided if i am goin manley t-t or crower billets again. we shall see what the future holds.

 

**** my eagles are the truth.5/16 bolts and all been in my motor for a year and half and made 600hp on 28lbs and been reved to 10000 rpm.but im changin to pauters this rebuild jus to be safer

 

bart i forgot about you. you seem to be the exception to the rule.

 

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Tolerances.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Anyone know the tolerances between eagle, pauter, crower, and the manley's. Also what size bolts each uses? I think this could be very helpful to the lazy ****'s like me at work.

 

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Its simple business strategy. Eagle products are made in China where they pay 10 year old children $5 a day to run the forging machines while as pauter and Crower are made in USA where people think they deserve 15-20 dollars an hour to run the same machines. BTW: these are examples not the actual processes. I'm sure some newbs would have taken this seriously and started talking **** about Eagle.

 

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how much better are the newer eagle rods with the 3/8th bolts.?

 

no failures hear and we've run over 600(wheel)HP which is over 700(crank)HP, no problem.

great rods for the price.

 

is that with the 5/16ths or the 3/8ths bolts?

 

never seen a broken eagle rod on here.. i plan to try and put 700hp down on eagle rods this season ill see how it does...

 

3/8ths bolts

 

theres nothing wrong with eagles...they are good rods

people usually dont fail rods from power its from RPM or detonation

 

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someone already did that....A local DSM makes just shy of 700 to wheels with eagles

HIs name is Ecoli on H-T

 

the only times i have seen eagle rods fail is from improper installation or improper rod bolt torque/stretch.

 

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I beg to differ:
torque them 3-4 times and they are out of round
cheapest, fastest wearing pin bushings i've ever seen
no name rod bolts

you get what you pay for

 

I have made 500+ hp to the wheels with eagles and have never had a rod problem. I recently switched engine builders and tuners(one of the most well known on these boards) who pretty much put a gun to my head to switch to manleys. He didn't say the eagles sucked just wanted the manleys for a piece of mind at 30psi and 10,000 rpm. I guess it all depends on your needs.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by non-VTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the only times i have seen eagle rods fail is from improper installation or improper rod bolt torque/stretch.

</TD></TR></TABLE> Ditto on the torque/stretch, most "professional shops" and "serious engine builders" don't use a rod bolt stretch gauge to check to verify if the bolts were torqued correctly. It is a testament to the durability of the Eagle rods and ARP studs that so many backyard mechanics have not had problems even though the installation may not have been done 100% correctly.

Tom