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Old Aug 1, 2009 | 09:27 PM
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blew my motor earlier this summer on 15 pounds, timing belt slipped and you know the rest.

motor is over at a VERY reputable engine builder right now and im planning on switching from pump 92 over to e85, i was running rc 550's before and now that im planning on maxxing my t3/t4 garrett bb 50 trim .63 a/r turbo i am going to need to upgrade my injectors.

question is, what cc injectors am i going to need to buy in order to push 400whp on e85?

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Old Aug 1, 2009 | 10:33 PM
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just get 1000cc...i have 880cc on mine and there just about maxed out and should of got 1000cc
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blew my motor earlier this summer on 15 pounds, timing belt slipped and you know the rest.

motor is over at a VERY reputable engine builder right now and im planning on switching from pump 92 over to e85, i was running rc 550's before and now that im planning on maxxing my t3/t4 garrett bb 50 trim .63 a/r turbo i am going to need to upgrade my injectors.

question is, what cc injectors am i going to need to buy in order to push 400whp on e85?

thanks
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Old Aug 1, 2009 | 10:40 PM
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ID1000's best investment I've made, and still have room to grow later if you want more.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 10:39 AM
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i was thinking of running e85 too, but not sure if i just want to do a straight race gas tune
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 02:01 PM
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how do cars run on 1000cc injectors? car is pretty much a dd'er. i would think they would idle like crap.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 02:13 PM
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I have herd that the bosch 1000s idle like stock plus they are saturated but they are about $450.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 02:19 PM
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My RC1000's idle'd fine with E85 in the 14.0 area, around 15.0 they was a semi-steady pop coming out of the exhaust, I dd the car all last summer and it ran perfectly fine on E85, when it gets cold out it will take some extra cranks to get the car to fire up.

The ID1000's are the way to go if you got the money.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 02:28 PM
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Interested to know how much WHP can stock fuel line/rail support with 1000cc injector and 255lph walbro?
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 03:53 PM
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Interested to know how much WHP can stock fuel line/rail support with 1000cc injector and 255lph walbro?
Simple, use the search and fine one of my posts that has all the calculations for you. For the most part 600 HP is fine with stock everything besides changing the fuel pump to a 255 lph. So roughly around 500 to 550 WHP and 600 WHP not being too out of reach or reasonable. All depends on the setup.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 05:12 PM
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Interested to know how much WHP can stock fuel line/rail support with 1000cc injector and 255lph walbro?
Gasoline or E85?
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 08:04 PM
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Gasoline or E85?
E85
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Old Aug 3, 2009 | 02:10 PM
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Not much more than 500whp safely on a D-Jet
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Old Aug 3, 2009 | 03:39 PM
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E-85!!!!
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Old Aug 3, 2009 | 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by didder
how do cars run on 1000cc injectors? car is pretty much a dd'er. i would think they would idle like crap.
been daily driving my D16 for a year and a half on precision 1000cc injectors hondata s300 idles fine with iac at 900 rpm 14.0:1
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Old Aug 3, 2009 | 10:05 PM
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i had precision 1000's and at idle the car would miss fire any leaner ~13.0. When i put the ID1000's it never miss fired at idle again and drove like stock injectors. Best investment i have made.

I also made a tad over 500whp at 70 psi base with an intank walbro and an inline.
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 05:47 AM
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not to thread jack but i heard running e85 over and over again in lets say a daily driver is not good to do y is that?
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 01:31 PM
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not to thread jack but i heard running e85 over and over again in lets say a daily driver is not good to do y is that?
probably one guy repeating what he heard from another guy when neither of them have probably never even smelled the fuel.

if it was not safe to DD with why are there flex fuel cars being sold every day?
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by hammeredgsr
not to thread jack but i heard running e85 over and over again in lets say a daily driver is not good to do y is that?
Originally Posted by 96 GSR-T
probably one guy repeating what he heard from another guy when neither of them have probably never even smelled the fuel.

if it was not safe to DD with why are there flex fuel cars being sold every day?
Come on now, do your homework. There are plenty of repeated, extremely monotonous, sites with this information. Check out Google and type in E85 and your mind will be blown by the millions of results. Most cars made 1988 and on are pretty safe (for the most part) with running Ethanol. They did this because (most are you are probably too young to know what I am talking about) of the government mandate for companies to be able to run a light mixture of ethanol in the fuel. Have you ever heard of E10 gas? IF you have not, you might actually have some in your tank right now as you read this. This is especially possible if you have gotten the fuel from a station that carries E85. E85 by law can actually only contain 70% ethanol and will vary from station to station, unfortunately.

The Flex Fuel vehicles are setup internally the same as today's production vehicles. The only true difference being the engine management system and the fuel system to provide the more flow required when running ethanol.

Older cars, typically Pre-85', have gaskets that will break down from E85. Especially carburetors or intake manifolds using cork gaskets. Either way this is not science class, and I am not a professor, so look up stuff and if (AND ONLY IF) you can read it slow and comprehend what they are saying will you understand what the hell they are talking about.

There are plenty of people running E85 in their NON-Flex Fuel Vehicles, daily mind you, for long terms with out any problems. For my POS work car I have a 1991 CRX Si with a B16 swap that I have been driving now for 3 years running only E85. I have had no leaks and no O-rings blow out. Given I did replace the pump with a Walbro 255 as well as advance the timing; I have had no problems thus far. For me it is either running gas that costs 1.5 times as much as E85, or just running E85 and taking the "risks". To each his own though, some people have had problems (mostly running Aeromotive fuel stuff not rated for Ethanol or the likes) with corrosion and E85.

E85 is a solvent by nature and will "clean" your entire fuel system. It also has a much higher oxygen content than gasoline. Oxygen, if you didn't know, is also corrosive. Look at the chain reaction from Oxygen and Water (rust, DUH). Gasoline actually leaves a "waxy like" build up, and help prevent any rust from forming in your fuel system (as long as it does not become stale). Running E85 will strip this "wax" and leave your fuel system more vulnerable to corrosion.

SEARCH FOR YOUR SELF... SEE THE LIGHT... E85 IS ALRIGHT !!!!!
(when the engine and management is setup correctly)
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by N3va3vaSatisfi3d
Come on now, do your homework. There are plenty of repeated, extremely monotonous, sites with this information. Check out Google and type in E85 and your mind will be blown by the millions of results. Most cars made 1988 and on are pretty safe (for the most part) with running Ethanol. They did this because (most are you are probably too young to know what I am talking about) of the government mandate for companies to be able to run a light mixture of ethanol in the fuel. Have you ever heard of E10 gas? IF you have not, you might actually have some in your tank right now as you read this. This is especially possible if you have gotten the fuel from a station that carries E85. E85 by law can actually only contain 70% ethanol and will vary from station to station, unfortunately.

The Flex Fuel vehicles are setup internally the same as today's production vehicles. The only true difference being the engine management system and the fuel system to provide the more flow required when running ethanol.

Older cars, typically Pre-85', have gaskets that will break down from E85. Especially carburetors or intake manifolds using cork gaskets. Either way this is not science class, and I am not a professor, so look up stuff and if (AND ONLY IF) you can read it slow and comprehend what they are saying will you understand what the hell they are talking about.

There are plenty of people running E85 in their NON-Flex Fuel Vehicles, daily mind you, for long terms with out any problems. For my POS work car I have a 1991 CRX Si with a B16 swap that I have been driving now for 3 years running only E85. I have had no leaks and no O-rings blow out. Given I did replace the pump with a Walbro 255 as well as advance the timing; I have had no problems thus far. For me it is either running gas that costs 1.5 times as much as E85, or just running E85 and taking the "risks". To each his own though, some people have had problems (mostly running Aeromotive fuel stuff not rated for Ethanol or the likes) with corrosion and E85.

E85 is a solvent by nature and will "clean" your entire fuel system. It also has a much higher oxygen content than gasoline. Oxygen, if you didn't know, is also corrosive. Look at the chain reaction from Oxygen and Water (rust, DUH). Gasoline actually leaves a "waxy like" build up, and help prevent any rust from forming in your fuel system (as long as it does not become stale). Running E85 will strip this "wax" and leave your fuel system more vulnerable to corrosion.

SEARCH FOR YOUR SELF... SEE THE LIGHT... E85 IS ALRIGHT !!!!!
(when the engine and management is setup correctly)
Thanks for the paragraph, I have done my homework I have been using E85 in a boosted application for almost 2 years now with great success and know others doing the same. Thanks for you addition to the tread, I didnt learn anything but maybe the guy that asked the question did.
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 06:50 PM
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96 GSR-T you have your car tuned on e70 and e85 for winter/summer mix? im assuming you daily your car?
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Old Aug 5, 2009 | 02:29 PM
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I was tuned on E70 in December and just adjusted the tune myself once summer came, took roughly 5% more fuel to make the transition between the 2. I just bought an AEM EMS and I am going to add a GM flex sensor and wire that to the AEM and let Evans to his magic with an E50 Blend all the way through E98 if I can get it, hopefully the ID2000's will be out by the time I get my new setup up and running, I would like to try and max out on Ethanol.

I DD the car last summer it was fun as hell, I didnt work far from home but it never let me down and I certainly was never late...lol

I left E85 in there for over 6 months and everything was unharmed in my fuel system, and now that I think about it I have 3/4 of a tank in there now left over from Jan when I tore my car apart.
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Old Aug 6, 2009 | 06:45 PM
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wow, i just learned a ton about e85 lol... so no need to change the fuel lines thats a plus.

now i just gotta eat my feelings and blow some cash on those id1000's
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Old Aug 7, 2009 | 01:06 PM
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^^^^ I am not saying that I recommend you leaving Ethanol in your system for extended periods, I was just stating my experience with it. I did upgrade my lines but my friend is just as lazy as me and he leaves corn in his car for just as long if not longer and he had stock lines and never had an issue making more power than me.
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