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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 02:43 PM
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Default The down side of Drag.

What are the negatives of Drag kits? I often hear about the fit and finish not being so great. Peices do not line up correctly, manifolds cracking, etc. Those of you runnign the kit what has your experience been both positive and negative regarding the quality of the kit.

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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 02:51 PM
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off th top of my head :
1. TURBO LAG
2. Delta wastegate
3. Chrome piping
4. Manifold

thats about it....for now....kinda steep 3 g's......greddykit w/ i/c and BOV about 2500.....no lag, good manifold...good piping internal w/g....and a good 200 hp at about 10psi
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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 02:56 PM
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The price of the Civic Gen 2 kit is:

$2699.95 - 10% HT discount = $2429.96
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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 03:02 PM
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what's so good about the greddy manifold? it can fit under a heat shield? internal wastegates are not as good, and the greddy turbo has more lag then my drag bb turbo, so saying it has no lag is utter bullpoo poo.

The main disadvantages of the drag kit are the oil return setup, the manifold design if your running 3" from the downpipe back, and of course the POS deltagate. but anyone wanting to do things right will upgrade the oil return line and upgrade the wastegate. other then that i have no complaints with the drag kit
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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 03:04 PM
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your turbo spools faster than a greddy turbo??? thats pretty f'in fast...to me...but they arnt all bb right..isnt taht extra


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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 03:04 PM
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We also offer a lifetime warranty on the DRAG manifolds.
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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 03:06 PM
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Wow 200hp at 10psi. With good tuning a drag kit can make 85hp more just like my friend's did.

The oil return line is pathetic on the drag kit. It's a peice of rubber hosing and hose clams. The manifold isn't great either. The wastegate sucks, but upgrade to Tial, get the oil return line made with SS line and AN fittings and your pretty much good to go.
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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 03:18 PM
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I dont know man i ran 11.6 with a stock DRAG kit. I would like to see a Greddy kit do that.
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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 03:22 PM
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I dont know man i ran 11.6 with a stock DRAG kit. I would like to see a Greddy kit do that.

on what PSI?
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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 03:24 PM
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on 18 psi. This is on a LS with just pistons, rods, cams, ugraded fuel system, exhaust, and a Power FC.
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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 03:43 PM
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what about sleeves? or any cylnder reinforcements??
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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 03:48 PM
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Wow 200hp at 10psi. With good tuning a drag kit can make 85hp more just like my friend's did.
I'm pretty sure he was quoting numbers from EX's. People put down 200whp at 6psi with the Greddy kit on Si's.
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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 04:51 PM
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there's a downside?? coulda fooled me
DRAG OWNZ
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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 04:57 PM
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ok so it wasnt stock...and they are both tight kits..with their ups and downs like every thing.....
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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 04:57 PM
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what's exactly the problem with those Delta wastegates?
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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 05:09 PM
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I've only heard they are prone to boost spike.
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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 05:26 PM
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go custom. entire turbo hardware cost for me (manifold, wastegate, turbo, downpipe, bov, piping, clamps, hoses, vaccuum lines, gaskets, tees, other fittings, oil, etc.) is about $1900. hondata + 440's + fpr + fuel pump = ~$1000 roughly

then add turbo timer, boost controller, gauges, whatever

$2900 to start for me
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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 05:51 PM
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go custom. entire turbo hardware cost for me (manifold, wastegate, turbo, downpipe, bov, piping, clamps, hoses, vaccuum lines, gaskets, tees, other fittings, oil, etc.) is about $1900.
I assume this is mostly used stuff?
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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 07:00 PM
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damn all this hate on the greddy kits again Buy what you want dude, it's your money!

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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 07:05 PM
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look at my sig, I am running 7.5 psi all day
with about 14-15 HP per psi of boost...

can you think of any downside...I'll get drag all over again..

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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 07:11 PM
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Wow 200hp at 10psi. With good tuning a drag kit can make 85hp more just like my friend's did.
285whp @ 10psi on a D16 w/ a DRAG kit????? Tell me you're under the influence when typing such utter B_ullshi_t
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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 07:34 PM
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Greddy turbo kits are like your first bicycle!! It doesnt get fun until you take off the training wheels! Spools fast and then runs outta juice...
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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 11:18 PM
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off th top of my head :
1. TURBO LAG
2. Delta wastegate
3. Chrome piping
4. Manifold

thats about it....for now....kinda steep 3 g's......greddykit w/ i/c and BOV about 2500.....no lag, good manifold...good piping internal w/g....and a good 200 hp at about 10psi
Don't forget all of hte fitment issues....but you can expect that with almost any kit
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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 11:38 PM
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true, but anytime you;re trying to make a non-turbo car a turbocharged car, you're going to have some fitment issues....
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Old Feb 5, 2002 | 11:48 PM
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Greddy turbo kits are like your first bicycle!!

LOL!! my first bicycle was a JRSC it was the kind of bike with support braket wheels.
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