I have an extra set of camshafts for my LS lying around, and I happen to live like 45 minutes away from Delta Camshaft. I know some people on the board have used them before, so I was wondering a couple things:

1) How was their service, and how was the end product?

2) What would be a good grind for a stock LS that will eventually be low-boost (8lb daily)?

Thanks!

 

i've used them a few times, along with exospeed too, to regrind cams.. both companies offered great service and informative answers.

my a6 delta regrind made about 30 whp more than my stocker (300.08 on the stocker, boosted)

 

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2) What would be a good grind for a stock LS that will eventually be low-boost (8lb daily)?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Stock. But that's assuming you use the typical H-T over-sized turbo. When you use a large turbo at low boost, you feed it boost before camshafts. A stock motor at 15psi will have the same HP limit as a stock motor + cams at 10psi.

The stock LS cams are good for low & midrange, you can get lots of torque and a huge powerband before you have to worry about upper-rpm power breaking the rods/pistons.

 

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Stock. But that's assuming you use the typical H-T over-sized turbo. When you use a large turbo at low boost, you feed it boost before camshafts. A stock motor at 15psi will have the same HP limit as a stock motor + cams at 10psi.

The stock LS cams are good for low & midrange, you can get lots of torque and a huge powerband before you have to worry about upper-rpm power breaking the rods/pistons.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'd be using a small-ish turbo with 8lb's daily.

 

throw the ls head away !!!!

 

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No !!!!

 

eventually you will learn.

 

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I'd like to know what I'm going to learn that will make me realize that I want to **** money away on an LS/VTEC when I have no grandiose plans of making any more than 200whp tops in a daily-driver streetable civic with low compression?

 

well aparrently you have money to **** away, being that you asked about a regrind cam. whats wrong with the stock profile ?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dturbocivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well aparrently you have money to **** away, being that you asked about a regrind cam. whats wrong with the stock profile ? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Are you being helpful right now? Because I really don't see it. I asked about a regrind because I want a slightly more aggressive cam profile. That's it. I'm not looking for a lumpy, idle-crushing, high-rev cam, and I'm not looking to break any land-speed records here.

So if you don't have anything to say about which cam regrind I should get or your experiences with the people at Delta Cam, please stop posting. It's not really that hard.

 

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Are you being helpful right now? Because I really don't see it. I asked about a regrind because I want a slightly more aggressive cam profile. That's it. I'm not looking for a lumpy, idle-crushing, high-rev cam, and I'm not looking to break any land-speed records here.

So if you don't have anything to say about which cam regrind I should get or your experiences with the people at Delta Cam, please stop posting. It's not really that hard.</TD></TR></TABLE>

maybe you can put the $ you would waste on a regrind cam, into purchasing a real turbo. there are plenty of cars making great power on stock cams.

 

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maybe you can put the $ you would waste on a regrind cam, into purchasing a real turbo. there are plenty of cars making great power on stock cams.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm sure there are. That's not the point. I absolutely loathe people that think that the way they did something is the only way to do it. They did an LS/VTEC or CR-VTEC, and they think that's the best way. They turboed on stock cams, so they think that's the best way. They use a huge turbo, so they think small turbos are stupid (see above "real turbo").

It's that kind of mentality that goes against the entire point of modifying a Honda. There are a million and one options for modifying a Honda, and it's just ******* ignorant to say "This is the single best way. Anything else is wrong."

So please, get out of my thread. I'm fully aware of what can be done, and I'm fully aware that there's a certain way I want it done. If you would like to make your own thread about how ******* cool LS/VTEC turbos with stock cams are, then be my guest. In the meantime, stop poisoning mine.

 

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It's that kind of mentality that goes against the entire point of modifying a Honda. There are a million and one options for modifying a Honda, and it's just ******* ignorant to say "This is the single best way. Anything else is wrong."

I'm fully aware of what can be done, and I'm fully aware that there's a certain way I want it done. </TD></TR></TABLE>


sounds like you are chokin on your own words

you came on here asking for our advice, well i gave it to you. i guess it wasnt what you had in mind...

 

relax buddy, its only the interweb

 

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sounds like you are chokin on your own words </TD></TR></TABLE>

How am I choking on my own words? Seriously, I'm done with you being in my thread.

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I'm sorry, I don't appreciate people coming in and just saying "You're not doing it the way I would do it, so you're stupid."

 

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Stock.

The stock LS cams are good for low & midrange, you can get lots of torque and a huge powerband before you have to worry about upper-rpm power breaking the rods/pistons.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

i agree, he did come off a bit harsh, and i dont like those comments either (i'm a BIG non vtec fan, for cost, availability, and replaceability), but internet screaming only makes him want to push your buttons even more

he's probably just sitting there thinking

"man, this is hilarious", while your letting it ruin your day. i'd go with reground cams. call delta, ask them what they have done for LS motors, and ship em out. they are REALLY cheap, like, less than a couple hundred, and seem pretty good. just check your valve adjustment after a week or so, it'll probably need to be re-done a couple times. thats been my experience at least. its a relatively cheap way of getting more power, go for it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by redzcstandardhatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i agree, he did come off a bit harsh, and i dont like those comments either (i'm a BIG non vtec fan, for cost, availability, and replaceability), but internet screaming only makes him want to push your buttons even more

he's probably just sitting there thinking

"man, this is hilarious", while your letting it ruin your day. i'd go with reground cams. call delta, ask them what they have done for LS motors, and ship em out. they are REALLY cheap, like, less than a couple hundred, and seem pretty good. just check your valve adjustment after a week or so, it'll probably need to be re-done a couple times. thats been my experience at least. its a relatively cheap way of getting more power, go for it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

seriously though, how much are you wasting on the delta regrind cams ?

 

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Probably less than $200. I don't see how a $200 set of decent cams is a waste of money, especially when I'm installing them myself. I won't be turboed till next summer anyways, so this would be a good in-between. And I'm not getting rid of my stock cams either, so if it turns out that a year down the road, you were right and this was the worst idea ever, then I can just put them back in.

 

my SOHC regrind cost me about 80 bucks. i had a couple identical ones done at the same time.

its not needed, IMO, but its also not a waste, IMO

 

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How am I choking on my own words? Seriously, I'm done with you being in my thread.

I'm sorry, I don't appreciate people coming in and just saying "You're not doing it the way I would do it, so you're stupid." </TD></TR></TABLE>

Erm, sounds like you're not doing anything different from him - "I don't want to do it your way, I want to do it my way [*whisper* because its best]"

Seriously, there isn't a single turbo out there that works more efficiently at 8psi than it does at 12-15psi. Spend all of $20 on a 2.5bar map sensor, up the boost, and enjoy the power as well as the money you saved.

Another point to understand, cams do much less to increase power than increasing boost does - especially when the cams are put on a lower-power motor. For instance ITR cams make 50whp over gsr's - when its already pushing 500whp. Assuming you get magical gains too, thats 20whp at most. The difference in 8psi and 15psi will be considerably more than any increase cams give you.


I would definately suggest you save the money on cams for a full 3" DP & stainless exhaust. It will increase power just as well as a cam would, if not better, but you are garaunteed to have a much quicker spool, as well as more top-end.

 

My problem isn't people who want to do it their way, and not mine, it's people who want me to do it their way.

And you seem to not understand what I want to do. I don't want to run 12-15psi. I'd rather run 8psi with cams and have the same effect.

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See, I don't want to run 15lbs of boost. It's not about how efficient the turbo is, it's about how reliable my motor is. I'm sure with a rather conservative tune and babying the motor, I could pull 15lbs on stock internals and head. Unfortunately, I'm not comfortable with that. I'd rather have a tune at 8psi and cams and make the same, or a little less HP.

I came in here and asked about cams. It's obvious that I do want cams. If you don't want cams, that's fine. I do. If you want 15lbs of boost, that's fine, I don't. So please, I would like help down the path that I have chosen, not help choosing a different one.

 

*Edit*

nevermind, you are too hard headed to listen to anything we tell you, so go blow your money on useless bullshit

 

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nevermind, you are too hard headed to listen to anything we tell you, so go blow your money on useless bullshit </TD></TR></TABLE>

I think I will. It seems a better alternative than listening to you.